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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by jacquesm »

sofixa wrote: post #81
anvuong wrote: post #23

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The IRGC is fighting for survival, most Iranian want them gone, and Iran will be better as a whole if the IRGC is all dead. Don't try to conflate the government with the country, they don't always align.

> Iran will be better as a whole if the IRGC is all dead Which is an impossibility. We're talking about a military force of more than a million religiously fervent men that have martyrdom as a core tenet of their religion. They are not going anywhere, and assasinating their leaders and bombing their bases will not make them easier to enforce anything on.

The opposite: Trump and Netanyahu have just proven to the bulk of the Iranians that the mullahs were right all along. They have helped IRGC more than they've hurt them by taking out their leadership. The mistake here is to think that the IRGC is structured along the lines of NATO or something like that. It really isn't. It's more like a 'instant guerilla mix' where all you have to do is add some water and stir it up. They learned a lot of lessons from looking at Iraq and the fact that their command structure is still in place should tell you something.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by rasz »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #436
leereeves wrote: post #349

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This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office Ali Larijani – Senior nation…

The way this war is shown to us (West) is very loopsided - Iran was never going to be able to stop the bombing and they knew it. But they still retain most of their ability to blow up anything they want around their country, which is most of oil and gas fields in the Middle East, and this time they actually proved it. We like to think we're winning, but are we ? Iran leadership is supposedly decimated, missile capabi…

>ability to blow up anything they want around their country

Only places that falsely believed to be immune due to being of same blood, like Qatar.

>Replace Khamenei with his son - a guy who had all of his family blown up to pieces by US / Israeli

Rumor has it son was also blown up, just not completely (supposedly disfigured with leg missing) and is most likely hiding in Moscow.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by jacquesm »

gizajob wrote: post #72
cardanome wrote: post #15

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Iran is fighting for survival, Israel and the US are fighting by choice. They attacked Iran not the other way round. US bases, even if also used by UK which aides US it their war, are legitimate targets. US imperialism is the greatest threat to the world.

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> and deal with the baiting once and for all.

That sounds very bad when you translate it into German.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kelipso wrote: post #456
upcoming-sesame wrote: post #413

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Religion extremism

It’s resistance against genocide.

This is a Western-centric framing. Iran have an oligarchy of IRGC billionaires consolidating power. Gazans and Lebanese and Yemeni are only slightly more disposable than their own populations.

It’s tempting to turn adversary into heroism. But the truth is Iran has supported the laughter of Gazans and Yemenis to keep war away from its shores for a few more years. These proxies need to rule ruthlessly, like their parent, because they’re violent, ruthless and cruel regimes. Powerful. But no paragon, and certainly not one who give two shits about Western notions of who is committing genocide or war crimes against whom.

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Post by jacquesm »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #402
surgical_fire wrote: post #380

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Are you implying other countries have to join in? Iran is only a threat because the US and Israel decided it was time to murder some Iranians. The US and Israel are more of a threat to the entire world.

let's not pretend this attack happened in a vacuum. Iran has been funding murderous militias like Hezbollah , Houtis and fighting a proxy war for years.

Fortunately the West would never stoop so low.

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Post by gzread »

UltraSane wrote: post #463
amunozo wrote: post #448

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That's horrible, but has nothing to do with this.

It really should make you want the Totalitarian Shia Theocracy running Iran to collapse.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Same logic - if correct - would give Iran the moral right to first strike the US.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jacquesm wrote: post #485
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #250

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> no one marches for IRGC - not even supporters IRGC has a lot of support. We tend to think of educated Iranians from abroad. But they have their share of religious nutters.

There are plenty of educated Iranians within Iran. What's with the structural under-estimation of countries that are not quite like the West? Seriously, Iran has - especially given the sanctions they've been under - consistently outperformed everybody's expectations in terms of capabilities. Assuming they will get their coveted atomic weapon (and there are several paths to that, which I hope they will not be able to…

You’re misreading my statement. Educated Iranians are plentiful. They’re the ones international people are familiar with. They almost universally hate the IRGC because they see it destroying their country. For every educated Iranian, however, they have tens of their equivalent of Koran thumpers. And those people will support the IRGC’s economic consolidation among their billionaire elite.

> their resolve to get that weapon will be ten fold what it was three weeks ago

They’ll probably get it. I’m almost convinced we’ll see the Middle East or Europe get nuked in our lifetime. Tehran hits Tel Aviv; the latter hits every major city or something.

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Post by jacquesm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #497
jacquesm wrote: post #485

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There are plenty of educated Iranians within Iran. What's with the structural under-estimation of countries that are not quite like the West? Seriously, Iran has - especially given the sanctions they've been under - consistently outperformed everybody's expectations in terms of capabilities. Assuming they will get their coveted atomic weapon (and there are several paths to that, which I hope they will not be able to…

You’re misreading my statement. Educated Iranians are plentiful. They’re the ones international people are familiar with. They almost universally hate the IRGC because they see it destroying their country. For every educated Iranian, however, they have tens of their equivalent of Koran thumpers. And those people will support the IRGC’s economic consolidation among their billionaire elite. > their resolve to get that…

You won't meet many IRGC supporters outside of Iran, that's the whole reason they are not in Iran in the first place. Just the same with Cubans outside of Cuba. Most Iranians (or people that still identify as Iranians in exile) have fled the regime and/or were connected to the regime of the Shah (and often through their parents, not they themselves).

> I’m almost convinced we’ll see the Middle East or Europe get nuked in our lifetime.

There is a good chance of that, and the last 3 weeks have made it much more likely that that will happen.

> Tehran hits Tel Aviv; the latter hits every major city or something.

That is possible. There are multiple possible nuclear flashpoints, Russia vs one of their neighbors, Pakistan vs India or the other way around, Israel vs Iran or the other way around, the USA because Trump has a bad hairday against pick-your-target.

Of all the parties that have nukes I figure China, France and the UK are the most stable.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

beedeebeedee wrote: post #483
DoctorOetker wrote: post #480

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I am willing to hear you out on this, but the Pentagon employs a lot of personnel, can you demonstrate that the sentiment you describe was actually representative? Clearly those who do believe in this intervention don't have the same incentive to speak up as those that disagree with it. It is also rather vague to conflate warnings with disagreement: They can believe in the validity of an approach but still have the l…

Google is your friend To get you started: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington... https://www.axios.com/2026/02/23/iran-strike-trump-gen-dan-c...

From your own source:

> Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Dan Caine has been advising President Trump and top officials that a military campaign against Iran could carry significant risks, in particular the possibility of becoming entangled in a prolonged conflict, according to two sources with knowledge of those internal discussions.

"that a military campaign against Iran could carry significant risks, "

specifically

"could carry"

Sounds like people doing their job, and informing a president of potential outcomes, precisely what I predicted above. The media always makes things seem more adversarial than what it turns out to be.

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Post by tim333 »

readitalready wrote: post #438
tim333 wrote: post #421

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Not sure how credible but iranintl.com has >36,500 killed in 400 cities... Our Editorial Board has now obtained more detailed information provided by the IRGC Intelligence Organization to the Supreme National Security Council. they are an Iranian opposition outfit funded but the Saudis. ( https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 )

iranintl, yah that's an instant rejection. There are zero verified sources of any mass killings by the Iranian government. In fact all evidence points to Mossad agents committing the mass killings of Iranian government officials as caught on video, including the wrestler that was just executed for killing a police officer with a machete, on video.

Any links to the on video bit? Most stuff on the internet seems to say he didn't do anything except protest.
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