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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mindslight wrote: post #489
dzhiurgis wrote: post #488

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That's pretty crazy mental gymnastics. Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds, etc. It's clear they don't value Israeli life, nor their own. They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth. There is nothing controversial about it. Israel has been doing their best to avoid civilian deaths, polar opposite of Palestinian behavior. Yes mistakes have bee…

Please elaborate on what exactly you're calling " crazy mental gymnastics ". Your followup points are merely textbook dehumanization of an entire group. So as I said, cycle of violence.

I already did. I don't think this can be clarified anymore for a person with an agenda.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by woodpanel »

nailer wrote: post #331
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #304

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> My gut reaction to 10-7 was to nuke Gaza for good What the actual fuck. Sorry, but you’re a fucking maniac.

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exactly. wanting to nuke the place is an absolute normal response to what the Palestininans did on 7 Oct. They livestreamed their joy of r_pe, enslavement and gruesome killings. Even the nazis, to which the Oct-7-abaters are never tired of comparing the Israelis to, had the decency to not openly advertise their atrocities.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by dmitrygr »

mindslight wrote: post #341
dmitrygr wrote: post #300

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Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes. Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely sto…

Then by your logic, every society on earth failed, because there are no places where you can act belligerently towards law enforcement and expect it to end well.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by vladgur »

olelele wrote: post #490
nailer wrote: post #466

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I try my best to keep a nuanced discussion going here and you obviously have no interest in this. Enjoy your flagged post.

But what GP said is true - we can see UNRWA educational materials.[0]

Im not sure what is being taught in orthodox jewish schools in Israel, but I’m pretty certain that in secular Israeli public schools, death of Arab neighbors is not glorified, terrorism and martyrdom is not glorified. [1]

Unlike that of UNRWA.

In other words, one side promotes violence, the other does not

[0] https://www.cfr.org/articles/teaching-hate-palestinian-schoo...

[1] https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ArabsPa...

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by mindslight »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #491
mindslight wrote: post #489

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Please elaborate on what exactly you're calling " crazy mental gymnastics ". Your followup points are merely textbook dehumanization of an entire group. So as I said, cycle of violence.

I already did. I don't think this can be clarified anymore for a person with an agenda.

The only thing I've said here is calling out your incitement to genocide. If that qualifies as an "agenda" to you, then I don't know that there is anything left to say.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by mindslight »

dmitrygr wrote: post #493
mindslight wrote: post #341

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Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes. Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely sto…

Then by your logic, every society on earth failed, because there are no places where you can act belligerently towards law enforcement and expect it to end well.

Perhaps by your obtusely applied system of logic, but not by mine. Societal values are ideals to be worked towards, not some sort of axiomatic foundation that pops into existence fully formed. The failed society condemnation pertains to your remark, which comes from a place of having given up on the idea that governments should be accountable to their citizens - aka authoritarianism.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

olelele wrote: post #490
nailer wrote: post #466

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I try my best to keep a nuanced discussion going here and you obviously have no interest in this. Enjoy your flagged post.

Really? I acknowledged your point before I pointed out its limits. It seems weird you would flag that. Either way, I’ve seen what makes HN upvote, flagging doesn’t bother me.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

throw310822 wrote: post #393
bhouston wrote: post #349

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boa…

It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.

Here is Bill Clinton know what the Palestinians were offered: https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=4...

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

nailer wrote: post #465
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #388

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> It’s very natural to want to return the same in kind They didn't return the same in kind. Compare the "stats" of Oct 7 vs what Israel did over the next 2 years. If you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified such a response, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response. Proportionality being the foundation of justice and all that.

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Those are some serious claims there. It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel. Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media. Not even mere supporting testimonies by those who were held captive.

Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment. You know very well what a proportional response to what Israel has done would be.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by suburban_strike »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #488
mindslight wrote: post #479

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I'm going to repost and elaborate on a reply of mine that appears to be shadow dead with no explanation. This doesn't seem to be the usual result of disagreement flagging. The only problem I can see is that perhaps this did not meet the level of substantiveness expected from an HN comment (OTOH I don't see how what it was replying to would meet this either, and mine is at least coming from the direction of intellectu…

That's pretty crazy mental gymnastics. Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds, etc. It's clear they don't value Israeli life, nor their own. They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth. There is nothing controversial about it. Israel has been doing their best to avoid civilian deaths, polar opposite of Palestinian behavior. Yes mistakes have bee…

> Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds

To the oppressed, everything is permissible.

> They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth

"Fetuses are antisemitic" is a new one.

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