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Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by abetusk »

deanc wrote: post #425
abetusk wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bot problem can be solved. Anubis is one such answer [0]. Cryptocurrency and micro transactions are another. In the last few decades, spam was a problem because the marginal transaction costs of information exchange were orders of magnitude lower than they had been. Note that physical mail spam was, and still, is an issue. Focusing on perceptual or fuzzy computation as the limiting factor, through captchas and ot…

I don't see how Anubis solves anything. If a human lets the bot control a completely vanilla computer (which there is now a lot of tooling for), then how is it going to stop that?

My apologies for the late reply.

You're right. My proposed solution only addressed AI at scale (web crawlers, mass spam campaigns, etc.) and doesn't address low bandwidth, "high friction" events like PRs, code reviews, blog posts, etc.

I don't want to dismiss the concerns outright and I'm not sure I have a concise response but my feeling is that, in some sense, it doesn't really matter. If AI is used to create a high quality output, then it should be accepted. If AI is creating low quality output, then it should be easy to verify, maybe with better (AI) tooling.

In other words, the bot problem cannot be solved, in that we might never know whether the source is from human or machine, but it won't matter as that's not the core of the problem, quality content is.

My opinion is that DIT is overstated and, where it isn't, we'll see much better technology evolve to separate the signal from the noise. As an analogy, in the late 1990s, internet search engines were abysmal, raking by document keyword searches and so were easily game-able by content that had nothing to do with the search intent. Google came along with page rank and, almost overnight, made the internet usable. From the bad Yahoo search results, one might be tempted to think that the entirety of the internet looked like what Yahoo was serving, but this was the wrong impression as there were plenty of interesting things on the internet, it just took page rank to provide the necessary filter to make the internet usable.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by array_key_first »

duxup wrote: post #96
int32_64 wrote: post #49

I would pay cash for access to a social site that bans all US politics, the astroturfing associated with it is simply unbearable.

For a short time I was a part of a small site that banned politics. It was fine, people talked about work, personal stuff, travel, until one person posted about their disappointment that their state was limiting various services or rights to gay people. For them this meant their rights were in question and they were understandably upset. Immediately some folks cried politics and that they shouldn’t post about that so…

Right, and politics is a constant moving target. Being gay is not inherently political, its been made political by the right. That's just what it is.

As time goes on, more and more stuff is political, because politicians stick their grubby little hands in everything. What you drink is political, what you eat is political, who you fuck is political. It's exhausting for anyone even slightly outside the status-quo.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by array_key_first »

stale2002 wrote: post #369
pacomerh wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be almost impossible?. Politics affects our lives every day. Your comment suggests that you believe it doesn't affect yours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy

> Wouldn't that be almost impossible?. Politics affects our lives every day. No it wouldn't be. And if your definition of "politics" includes "literally every time a thing happens" then your definition is so broad as to be useless. When people say that they want politics banned, they are talking about the extremely controversial arguments that are almost completely unrelated to whatever the community is about. IE, if…

The main problem that comes in with this is the status quo. That's where we get the meme "there are two genders: male, and political".

When you're part of the status-quo then nothing is a political statement, but when you aren't then everything is a political statement. Disabled black woman opens a local cheese shop? Is that political? I think that might be, depending on who you ask on your cheese forum.

So there's an inherent double standard. Like, if you have a subreddit for a city, and you have a post about the Pride parade, that's a political message. But most other parades are not, even if the subject matter is the same.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by firmretention »

1123581321 wrote: post #221
frou_dh wrote: post #137

You really gotta wonder how much value the "Digg" brand actually has, because the number of people that remember/care about the site from its original glory days is ever dwindling.

They’re only in their 40s and 50s. Not quite dead yet. :)

Hey some of us are in our late thirties! :)

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by gongleson »

zuccs wrote: post #442
giancarlostoro wrote: post #402

At some point websites will just have to start charging an entry fee just to make it so if you really are yet another bot, at least you are paying for your stay. If you're not rate limiting your websites in 2026 on a per user level, you really need to, and figure out how to do it meaningfully. Raise limits for known human power users, especially if they pay to use your website. I wonder if the "short-term" "fix" is p…

Digg did charge a $5 fee (which they donated) for the beta.

I signed up and paid the $5 for the groundbreakers, which was last year and was pre-beta. We had a fair few months with just people who had donated before they launched the beta signups (which if I remember correctly didn't cost anything).

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by grey-area »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #390
grey-area wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the context: "We underestimated the gravitational pull of existing platforms. Network effects aren't just a moat, they're a wall." It's a mixed metaphor which doesn't make any sense. There are really very few ways in which this can be considered good writing - I guess the grammar is ok even if it is nonsense. So let's break it down - underestimated the gravitational effects - ok, this is nice, like where it's…

That’s the entire point - network effects are commonly discussed as being a moat (people can’t cross without difficulty) but are actually a wall - people can’t cross and can’t view the other side. Seems simple and straightforward to me.

Walls are crossed just like moats, they were also used in tandem, they are not natural opposites.

Also the problems here stem from mixing metaphors between things that attract and repel, and mixing up attracting customers and repelling competitors without clear explanation.

That’s what makes this bad writing and a classic example of LLM slop which people are willing to make post-hoc excuses to try to make sense of. It doesn’t make sense because sense was not involved in the making of it.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by ierukah »

paride5745 wrote: post #37

Really annoying, I was starting to use it for a few niche communities instead of Reddit. If they relaunch, I hope they develop something integrated with the fediverse. I believe the time to build walled gardens is over, plugging with the fediverse might give them a running start to build something g together with the wide fediverse community, maybe something easier to use for non-techies and well moderated. We will s…

Well, most of the Threadiverse would block federation with digg if that were to happen, just like how it happened to threads.
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