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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwaway2037 »

amarcheschi wrote: post #365
SXX wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not disagreeing with you, but US-controlled dictators have better track record of not killing thousands of protesters or just random people in own populations. Not perfect option, but still is an improvement even from your positiom.

US supported Pinochet or the US supported military dictatorship in brasil would like to disagree

Agree. See also military dictatorships in South Korea and Taiwan. Many terrible years and brutal killings by the gov't. Both gov'ts were strongly supported by the US.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

muzani wrote: post #244
g8oz wrote: post #72

America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?

I prefer assassinations of leaders in wars over deaths of soldiers and especially civilians. Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas' or the US dropping nukes in WW2 instead of bombing the Japanese Emperor. This is decent as far as wars go.

> Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas'

1) Israel didn't "have" to raze anything, they chose to.

2) "Beat Hamas" is an excuse for Israel to do what it wants, which is to raze entire cities.

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Post by elihu »

flyinglizard wrote: post #431
deaux wrote: post #272

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> Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas' They didn't, they just had to stop funding them, as Hamas has been funded by Israel.

No, Hamas was never funded by Israel. In this instance, Hamas was funded by Qatar, and the Israelis were complicit by allowing it. But it's also important to remember that Hamas is the elected sovereign in Gaza, and this money was used in part to run Gaza's infrastructure. In the same way Taliban runs Afghanistan, Hamas runs Gaza. The assumption in Israel was that it was beneficial to have Hamas retain something to l…

> the irony it comes from the same people who blame Israel for not letting supplies into Gaza during war.

Israel did in fact do that. In fact there were several months of Israel not allowing any food or supplies whatsoever into Gaza. That was about a year ago. (It's possible Israel may have been supplying rival groups unfriendly to Hamas with food/supplies/weapons in secret, but all regular humanitarian aid was shut off.)

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Post by petcat »

sega_sai wrote: post #471

I have no sympathy for Khamenei, but, if that is allowed we should not be surprised if Denmark prime minister is next?

It's an easier decision to make if Denmark's PM decides to spray bullets at 20,000 student protestors.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

tdeck wrote: post #432
avoutos wrote: post #169

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Defend your thesis

Trump literally said it was about the oil on television?

Wild, right? He said it out loud. It reminds me of Chappelle's Show - Black Bush.

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Post by jonathanstrange »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #358
leptons wrote: post #147

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He sure does act like a dictator, ruling by executive order. He sent the US military to operate on US soil, by executive order... so yes, he is very much a dictator right now.

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As an outside observer, I'd say it's by far not as bad as in Russia yet but they're heading towards a similar model. Due process has already been eroded, prosecution is more selective than ever, there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities, a large government-controlled police force arrests anyone they want to (including journalists), government-critical press is bought, sued, and intimidated, Congress is held in contempt, court orders are ignored, and the FBI works directly on behalf of the president. That being said, they've still got a long way to go.

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Post by impossiblefork »

oytis wrote: post #476
impossiblefork wrote: post #474

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They're civilians, for one.

Are they? In most countries the head of the state is also army's commander-in-chief.

Yes, but these are traditionally not treated as actual soldiers, but civilians commanders-in-chief-in-name-only.
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