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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by geysersam »

piskov wrote: post #238
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean because of the international sanctions that needed Taiwanese, British and Dutch support to be effective? Or because of the revoked processor design licenses from the British company Arm (which is still UK headquartered… despite being NASDAQ listed and largely owned by Japanese firm SoftBank)? Or perhaps you think the US could stop us using the 12nm fabs being built by TSMC on European soil? Or could stop us…

> Or perhaps you think the US could stop us using the 12nm fabs being built by TSMC on European soil? Being built as in not operating yet? 12 nm gpu is what? Nvidia 1080/2060 level? Those top researchers mentioned would love to train on that. Also how many gpus would be made annually? Also what about CPU? You gonna use risc-v? With what toolchain? Chinese could pull it off in a few years, yeah. EU? Nah. Started think…

Things can change quickly. Give it a decade.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by 9dev »

torben-friis wrote: post #151

Among other consequences, if Anthropic ends up being killed it’s going to be just another nail in the coffin of trust in America. Companies who subscribed will find themselves without an important tool because the president went on a rant, and might wonder if it’s safe to depend on other American companies.

It is absolutely unsafe to depend upon American companies, and I can guarantee you that all over the world, people are actively looking for alternatives already. You never know what happens next, things that used to take years happen in a single Truth Social post now, and no matter how twisted your worst nightmare scenarios look, this ridiculous band of crooks in charge of the USA manages to one-up them.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by octoberfranklin »

dataflow wrote: post #203

Why are the signing employees (at least the anonymous ones) trusting the creators of this website? What if it was set up by someone who wanted to gather a list of all the dissidents who would silently protest or leave the companies or whatever? Do you know whom you are going to hold accountable if it turns out these folks don't delete your verification data, or share it with your employer, or worse? Also, another war…

let a thousand flowers bloom

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by stinkbeetle »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #318
stinkbeetle wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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All they did was say they didn’t want their company to do something. They never said they had the power to ensure that.

Being disingenuous isn't a clever or interesting way to discuss a topic though.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by octoberfranklin »

tbrownaw wrote: post #294
txrx0000 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scaling has hit a wall and will not get us to AGI. Open-source models are only a couple of months behind closed models, and the same level of capability will require smaller and smaller models in the future. This is where open research can help: make the models smaller ASAP. I think it's likely that we'll be able to get something human-level to run on a single 16GB GPU before the end of the decade.

> human-level to run on a single 16GB GPU before the end of the decade. That's apparently about 6k books' worth of data.

How many humans do you know who can recite 6000 books, word for word, exactly?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by quotemstr »

claudiojulio wrote: post #106
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

If it's taken by force, it will stagnate. It makes no sense at all.

I am certain that there exist people who are 1) capable of advancing the state of the art in AI, and 2) free of the hubris that lets them believe that their making AI somehow gives them a veto over the fates of nations.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dijit »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #466
5o1ecist wrote: post #385

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The citation for your quote appears to be an unsourced Reddit post. The agreement at the heart of 5 Eyes is to not surveil the other nations - this must be up there for most persistently misunderstood fact among techies (probably why AI spits it out)

Unless there’s new information, this is exactly what the Snowden leaks exposed.

Snowden wasn’t showing the world the NSA surveillance systems against them; he was trying to show that the US was illegally spying on its own citizens by leveraging the five-eyes countries to collect and aggregate the data on their behalf.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by rectang »

politician wrote: post #349

I simply do not understand why Americans tech companies and their employees will hew and cry about supporting the military. For those of you who support their position, have you ever stopped to consider that your safe, comfortable lives of free speech and protests and TikTok and food and gas and Amazon Next-Day deliveries is enabled by a massive nuclear deterrent operated by the very military you oppose? It is just s…

> “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it.”

— Colonel Jessup

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by athrowaway3z »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #466
5o1ecist wrote: post #385

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The citation for your quote appears to be an unsourced Reddit post. The agreement at the heart of 5 Eyes is to not surveil the other nations - this must be up there for most persistently misunderstood fact among techies (probably why AI spits it out)

Who are you going to cite?

Snowden, as a very rare exception, did show clearly that the government agencies are quite capable of not providing anything to cite.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dataflow »

rzmmm wrote: post #462
dataflow wrote: post #203

Why are the signing employees (at least the anonymous ones) trusting the creators of this website? What if it was set up by someone who wanted to gather a list of all the dissidents who would silently protest or leave the companies or whatever? Do you know whom you are going to hold accountable if it turns out these folks don't delete your verification data, or share it with your employer, or worse? Also, another war…

Looks like it supports alternative proof of employment. They don't require disclosing identity as long as they are convinced you work for these companies.

And you propose that how exactly? Every method they mention has identity attached to it in some way. They specifically want to be able to deduplicate submissions too, so I don't see what non-identifying options you're imagining they might accept either.
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