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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Lucy Connolly was arrested in the UK for calling for terrorists to burn down a hotel full of migrants with the migrants inside, on Twitter.

Good! Is anyone speaking against that?

Yes, there's a whole political faction that thinks it's terrible that in Europe you can get arrested for tweeting something.

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I can’t imagine such a thing either, but here in Europe plenty of organisations continue planning on increasing their reliance and lock-in on American tech corps.

Which is perfectly fine (albeit perhaps stupid, I agree) for private enterprise. It's the public ones that need to shift first and foremost.

It's public sector organisations and entities that are adopting more lock-in. We get the occasional news showing the opposite in NH, but there's also a big counter-movement.

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Good! Is anyone speaking against that?

Yes, there's a whole political faction that thinks it's terrible that in Europe you can get arrested for tweeting something.

It’s terrible that you can get arrested for inciting violence?

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The US (like any country) struggles in asymmetrical/guerilla warfare. It always devolves to the famous statement by a US officer during the Vietnam war that “We had to destroy Ben Tre in order to save it.” If the gloves were off then the equation would be different. A fight with the rest of NATO would be conventional warfare where the US has a giant advantage.

USA would eventually loose, because it generally looses wars in the long term. But Europeans would suffer more while Americans would consider themselves the real victims.

The ones that win wars are those who profit from conflict, not those who are victorious on the battlefield.

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Yeah that’s me, I’m funded by the anti-GDPR lobby. Still waiting on my check.

You could merely be convinced by one. That is sadly an unpaid position though. But more seriously, this discussion has come up so many times on this site, that I could instantly find myself talking about it a handful of times at least: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45669399 (go up-parent a few times if more context is needed) And that doesn't even go into whether sites actually need to ask for cookie consent a…

Plenty of high-school logic level libertarians got convinced by corporation lobbying to undue regulation too

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I’ve read the GDPR has zero impacts on national security/law enforcement. It applies weakly to other state functions. I’ve also seen cases where GDPR is used against religious groups that have a strong religious justification for keeping lists of believers. Think Orthodox Jews and the Catholic Church, which regard family trees and baptismal certificates as semi-sacred. And kept on paper or scrolls. Not sure what to t…

The reason why we're not keeping lists of which people believe what religion, is because such lists were extremely useful to the nazis in WW2 when exterminating Jewish people. > Think Orthodox Jews Pretty sure they would remember why this is the case. > Regulating a sacred scroll like a database table seems wrong. There is actually no perceivable or material difference between something that is considered "sacred" an…

I’m thinking more paper and scrolls.

Not to mention things like tombstones or the occasional name carved into buildings - usually related to donors.

The media matters: an email list, a scroll, a name carved into stone, and a tattoo are quite different things.

I feel uncomfortable drawing clear lines, but I feel equally uncomfortable with other people drawing clear lines.

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> It is possible that curves are not linear. Only reason this one wouldn’t be, is human sentiment being nonlinear. You’re asking to be trapped in a small fish tank with no air pocket…still not a good argument.

You're absolutely right - human sentiment is always linear. If somebody likes eating pizza, they love being forcefed pizza 24/7 until their stomach explodes. Not.

I said “nonlinear”.

Read more carefully before getting snippy, here.

Better: don’t get snippy here at all!

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Because the law probably should have mandated functionality-only cookies until I disclaim my right to privacy, such as when creating an account, or doing anything to provide consent besides loading the domain. Instead, we normalized breaking the site by covering 80% of it so the standard user clicks the first thing that brings the site back: Accept (giving me the 80 advertiser tracking cookies!!1!)

I'm sceptical the "functionality-only cookies" are what they say they are

It would definitely be the next place to keep your eyes peeled for fuckery.

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European countries aren’t known for strong privacy against the state. There are exceptions, but the EU’s “privacy rights” are almost exclusively against corporations. American privacy, by contrast, is almost exclusively focused on state surveillance. There are holes, the biggest being that foreigners on foreign soil have no privacy rights. Nor do the dead. But I’m not impressed with the “rights” Europeans have agains…

I read an article that dug into public GDPR cases, which is a surprisingly small set, and it explained they have had a near zero impact on the massive advertising and data broker industry. They mostly just have a large back log of legal cases against large US companies like Google which occasionally result in fines - but even that moves very very slowly and has little impact on their global business models. They do a…

Even if one paid monthly, why would they actually stop the data collection?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Yes, there's a whole political faction that thinks it's terrible that in Europe you can get arrested for tweeting something.

It’s terrible that you can get arrested for inciting violence?

They say it's terrible that you can get arrested for tweeting things. They usually refuse to specify which things were tweeted.
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