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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by [deleted] »

tencentshill wrote: post #84
euleriancon wrote: post #26

I had a similar experience recently, where I logged in to Facebook after not using it for years and was shocked by how much garbage was there. My spouse does use Facebook somewhat regularly so I looked at her feed and it was much more reasonable. I wonder if for those of us that haven't used Facebook in years the recommendation algorithm is essentially default. Which much like the default youtube algorithm, is comple…

I would assume inactive accounts get "sold" to the algorithm's lowest bidders. If you're not generating new information, there's nothing to scrape or sell. You must be pretty locked down outside of Facebook as well (you've actually toggled privacy settings, ever).

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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by ndarray »

ieie3366 wrote: post #176

You are just not the target audience. Meta is a trillion dollar company and their algos are extremely optimized. It probably detected your gender (male), age, location, social graph, as a combination of all these that you would be interested in AI-generated softcore pornography. And for the average user with your stats, they absolutely are. Of course, nobody at Meta hardcoded their algorithm to do this: it’s just nat…

They're clearly not that optimized when the user ends up complaining publicly. Don't tell others what they're supposed to like because some algo said so. Very cringe.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by nickburns »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #342
sparky_z wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It all just went away, starting with the husbands. I honestly can't tell whether I'm supposed to interpret this as "The dads lost interest in Facebook before anyone else", or "Everybody got divorced."

I would say their priorities changed. They spent less time with social media and just did other things.

Alright, I'll be the dude to call a spade a spade: it was all done for "clicks."

The sheer banality of that tends to eventually wear on a dude.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by emseetech »

davio wrote: post #323
Maxion wrote: post #103

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I logged in to instagram after like 5 years and my whole feed is literally just thots and AI generated content, even though I follow a crapload of accounts.

I did "not interested" & "This post makes me uncomfortable" for a solid month and now have a reliable feed of comedians, tacos, golden retrievers, classic jazz drummers, etc. The algorithm thought I turned Mexican and gave me exclusively Spanish content for a month but I just kind of went along with it.

I found that "not interested" didn't work for me, that I had to explicitly state what I was interested in and only then did my suggestions become relevant. It will at times revert to slop and then I have to go through the process all over again.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by boxedemp »

_3u10 wrote: post #447
jrmg wrote: post #444

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You appear to be saying that this is the content it will just serve to a middle age man who hasn’t used it in a long time by default. You don’t think that’s problematic?

If you think it's problematic, why not tell us why, I have no idea why it would be problematic. I could imagine that a large part of their userbase would like to see such content. I would actually bet that it generates a lot of clicks and ad rev. To me it sounded like the content was body positive, and promoting women who constitute a minority of society and face a lot of undue scrutiny from the majority because of t…

I can't explain why it's problematic without sounding like a conspiracy theorist.

Maybe I should reevaluate my perspective.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by pwrsysengineer »

xethos wrote: post #481
pwrsysengineer wrote: post #348

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I created a Facebook account a few years ago to get in on the local marketplace deals. After opening the website a few times and seeing very suggestive content, I had the idea of tailoring my feed to the most racy things I could find. Eventually, my feed was filled images of children wearing bathing suits and in suggestive positions, censored images of sexual acts, and AI generated images of elderly women with large…

> my feed was filled images of children wearing bathing suits and in suggestive positions > I was taking screenshots for a while More than a little surprised this seemed like a good idea at the time, let alone that you did so for a while without thinking "There is no scenario this ends well"

It does sound bad, and yes I deleted them. I wanted to convince my friends at Meta of what I was seeing. They didn't believe me until I showed them.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by flir »

ipaddr wrote: post #476
flir wrote: post #384

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My wife was complaining about far right knuckle draggers turning up in her feed. I assume the algorithm was shovelling more of them at her because she was rubbernecking. I told her to try a "block every time" approach. It took about two weeks until her feed was (mostly) free of them but it still throws one at her now and again. I offer this as a data point about how hard it is to turn a polluted feed around. But I'm…

How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

Do you think you should have full control over the web browser on the computer you own?

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by intended »

jballanc wrote: post #469
blibble wrote: post #454

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I think it's worse, cigarettes never threatened democracy the solution is real easy, section 230 should not apply if there's an recommendation algorithm involved treat the company as a traditional publisher because they are, they're editorialising by selecting the content vs, say, the old style facebook wall (a raw feed from user's friends), which should qualify for section 230

The problem with this is that section 230 was specifically created to promote editorializing. Before section 230, online platforms were loath to engage in any moderation because they feared that a hint of moderation would jump them over into the realm of "publisher" where they could be held liable for the veracity of the content they published and, given the choice between no moderation at all or full editorial respo…

Platforms routinely underinvest in trust and safety.

T&S is markedly more capable in the dominant languages (English is ahead by far).

Platforms make absurd margins when compared to any other category of enterprise known to man.

They operate at scales where a 0.001% error rate is still far beyond human capability to manually review.

Customer support remains a cost center.

Firms should be profitable and have a job to do.

We do not owe them that job. Firms are vehicles to find the best strategies and tactics given societal resources and goals.

If rules to address harms result in current business models becoming unviable, then this is not a defense of the current business model.

Currently we are socializing costs and privatizing profit.

Having more customer support, more transparency, and more moderation will be a cost of doing business.

Our societies have more historical experience thinking about government capture than flooding the zone style private capture of speech.

America developed the FDA and every country has rules on how hygiene should be maintained in food.

People still can start small, and then create medium or large businesses. Regulation is framed for the size of the org.

Many firms fail - but failure and recreation are natural parts of the business cycle.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by dangus »

RajT88 wrote: post #326

I agree with most of this, but complaining about Yoleendadong is some "Old man yells at cloud" stuff. My wife is a big fan, as she has a lot of funny content specific to Asian cultures. Yes, she has some relationship stuff too. You may not like her content, but she's got a few hundred thousand subscribers on Youtube, and 17 million on TikTok.

I was about to point out two things:

1. This bit you just pointed out. Facebook suggesting Yoleendadong, that’s not weird, she’s wildly popular. Her inclusion in this piece discredits OP as someone who basically has no idea how social media works - which makes the article less insightful, like asking David Attenborough to work the play by play commentary of an NBA game.

2. I don’t think OP realizes how much he should not be admitting that this is what his feed looks like.

Facebook/Instagram pretty much show you exactly what you want to see. I deleted my Meta accounts about 6 months ago but when I used it regularly before that I never saw thirst slop like this.

I had a beautiful algorithm, a mix of mostly hilarious brain rot and actual high effort content involving my interests.

OP is basically accidentally admitting that he’s browsing this kind of stuff in a browser with set Facebook cookies. That’s why you can’t use Meta products without Facebook container.

OP is seeing AI titties because other websites that utilize Facebook’s analytics/marketing products are seeing OP search for AI titties.

Finally, it is very easy to guide Meta algorithms into showing you other stuff if you are seeing things you don’t like. It even has a button for you to tell it what you don’t like.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by steezeburger »

jedberg wrote: post #204

> So: is this just something wacky with my algorithm? No, it's not. Once Meta identifies you as male, you will get almost exclusively thirst trap posts no matter what you do. It started about two years ago. Some other interesting points: A woman posted on reddit recently saying she noticed her son's feed was filled with this stuff, so she created her own instagram account, identified as a man, and had the same feed.…

I don't like anything even slightly thirst trappy, and my fyp is clean.
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