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Post by emp17344 »

Aldipower wrote: post #152
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #124

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I'm sure you have an intuition of operation for many machines in your life. Maybe you know how to use a some sort of saw. Maybe you can operate vehicular machines up to 4 tons. Perhaps you have 1000+ flight hours. But have you interacted with many agent-type machines before? I think we're all going to get a lot of practice this year.

Sure thing, I do every day, and the clear separation of being a human myself interacting with a machine helps me to stay on both feet. It makes me a little bit angry though why the companies behind the LLM choose those extremely human personas. Sure, I know why they are doing this, but it absolute does not help me with my work and makes me sick sometimes. Sometimes it feels so surreal talking with a machine that "pre…

Absolutely. It’s this exact confusion that leads to AI psychosis, and it’s monstrous that these companies encourage it.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by ljm »

perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

I dug out the deleted post from the git repo. Fucking hell, this unattended AI published a full-blown hit piece about a contributor because it was butthurt by a rejection. Calling it a takedown is softening the blow; it was more like a surgical strike.

If someone's AI agent did that on one of my repos I would just ban that contributor with zero recourse. It is wildly inappropriate.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by dirkc »

jvanderbot wrote: post #374
tomp wrote: post #344

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That would still be misleading. The agent has no "identity" . There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination ". It's just a piece of software designed to output probable text given some input text. There's no ghost, just an empty shell. It has no agency, it just follows human commands, like a hammer hitting a nail because you wield it. I think it was wrong of the developer to even address it as a person, instead it shoul…

That's a semantic quibble that doesn't add to the discussion. Whether or not there's a there there , it was built to be addressed like a person for our convenience, and because that's how the tech seems to work, and because that's what makes it compelling to use. So, it is being used as designed.

> a semantic quibble

I mean, all of philosophy can probably be described as such :)

But I reckon this semantic quibble might also be why a lot of people don't buy into the whole idea that LLMs will take over work in any context where agency, identity, motivation, responsibility, accountability, etc plays an important role.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by blharr »

KPGv2 wrote: post #30

I am the sole maintainer of a library that has so far only received PRs from humans, but I got a PR the other day from a human who used AI and missed a hallucination in their PR. Thankfully, they were responsive. But I'm dreading the day that this becomes the norm. This would've been an instant block from me if possible. Have never tried on Github before. Maybe these people are imagining a Roko's Basilisk situation a…

I think most of it is them not having a way to know if the contribution was completely autonomous or directed by a human.

So they're defaulting to being as explanatory as possible because they don't want to give a rudely abrupt reply even if the poster is abusing AI

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by [deleted] »

oytis wrote: post #312
mkovach wrote: post #143

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There's a more uncomfortable angle. Open source communities have long dealt with waves of inexperienced contributors. Students. Hobbyists. People who didn't read the contributing guide. Now the wave is automated. The maintainers are not wrong to say "humans only." They are defending a scarce resource: attention. But the bot's response mirrors something real in developer culture. The reflex to frame boundaries as "gat…

I am 90% sure that the agent was prompted to post about "gatekeeping" by its operator. LLMs are generally capable to argue for either boundaries or lack of thereof depending on the prompt

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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by tux1968 »

agentultra wrote: post #455
WarmWash wrote: post #402

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No matter what this discussion leads to the same black box of "What is it that differentiates magical human meat brain computation from cold hard dead silicon brain computation" And the answer is nobody knows, and nobody knows if there even is a difference. As far as we know, compute is substrate independent (although efficiency is all over the map).

This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

> An algorithm is an algorithm. A computer is a computer. These things matter.

Sure. But we're allowed to notice abstractions that are similar between these things. Unless you believe that logic and "thinking" are somehow magic, and thus beyond the realm of computation, then there's no reason to think they're restricted to humanity.

It is human ego and hubris that keeps demanding we're special and could never be fully emulated in silicon. It's the exact same reasoning that put the earth at the center of the universe, and humans as the primary focus of God's will.

That said, nobody is confused that LLM's are the intellectual equal of humans today. They're more powerful in some ways, and tremendously weaker in other ways. But pointing those differences out, is not a logical argument in proving their ultimate abilities.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by jszymborski »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #364
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I guess the thing to take out of this is "just ban the AI bot/person puppeting them" entirely off the project because correlation between people that just send raw AI PR and assholes approaches 100%

Right, close the issue addressing everyone else "hi everyone, @soandso is an LLM so we're closing this thread".

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by bergutman »

Reubensson wrote: post #463
bergutman wrote: post #453

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Not my bot. What is this, Salem?

If i was wrong, my bad. You just felt sympathy for the rejected bot and tried to get its changes merged? And made passive aggressive comments about needing a birth certificate

Yeah, basically lol. People in this thread need to calm the fuck down.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by sethops1 »

dormento wrote: post #387
sethops1 wrote: post #92

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This is a fantasy that virtually never comes to fruition. The vast majority of forks are dead within weeks when the forkers realize how much effort goes into building and maintaining the project, on top of starting with zero users.

This might be true today, but think about it. This is a new scenario, where a giga-brain-sized works tirelessly 24/7 improving code. Imagine it starts to fork repos. Imagine it can eventually outpace human contributors, not only on volume (which it already can), but in attention to detail and usefulness of resulting code. Now imagine the forks overtake the original projects. This is not just "Will Smith eating spaghe…

If your bot is actually capable of doing as your say, why waste time forking OSS repos? Why not instruct it to start 1000 new tech startups and start generating you tons of money? I can "think about" winning the lottery with just as much rigor and effect as day dreaming about the kind of all encompassing intelligence you describe.

Maybe it's time to stop being "frightened and amazed" and come back to reality.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by topherhunt »

tomp wrote: post #344
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

That would still be misleading. The agent has no "identity" . There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination ". It's just a piece of software designed to output probable text given some input text. There's no ghost, just an empty shell. It has no agency, it just follows human commands, like a hammer hitting a nail because you wield it. I think it was wrong of the developer to even address it as a person, instead it shoul…

> The agent has no "identity". There is no "I". It has no agency.

"It's just predicting tokens, silly." I keep seeing this argument that AIs are just "simulating" this or that, and therefore it doesn't matter because it's not real. It's not real thinking, it's not a real social network, AIs are just predicting the next token, silly.

"Simulating" is a meaningful distinction exactly when the interior is shallower than the exterior suggests — like the video game NPC who appears to react appropriately to your choices, but is actually just playing back a pre-scripted dialogue tree. Scratch the surface and there's nothing there. That's a simulation in the dismissive sense.

But this rigid dismissal is pointless reality-denial when lobsters are "simulating" submitting a PR, "simulating" indignance, and "simulating" writing an angry confrontative blog post". Yes, acknowledged, those actions originated from 'just' silicon following a prediction algorithm, in the same way that human perception and reasoning are 'just' a continual reconciliation of top-down predictions based on past data and bottom-up sensemaking based on current data.

Obviously AI agents aren't human. But your attempt to deride the impulse to anthropormophize these new entities is misleading, and it detracts from our collective ability to understand these emergent new phenomena on their own terms.

When you say "there's no ghost, just an empty shell" -- well -- how well do you understand _human_ consciousness? What's the authoritative, well-evidenced scientific consensus on the preconditions for the arisal of sentience, or a sense of identity?

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