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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by LightBug1 »

jnordt wrote: post #152
andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

Tictoc, Instagram, Youtube shorts and in parts Linkedin are Digital Drugs. Similisr to smoking cigarettes or vaping. Whats fascinating about thid is that we have managed to create a new class of drugs - that does not require physical substances to be added to our bodies...and works via visual stimulous only.

I'm delighted and honoured to announce that you are completely correct.

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Post by carlosjobim »

enaaem wrote: post #430
carlosjobim wrote: post #198

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> The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique. At least you can now choose your bubble and even listen to your own echo. That beats having the government beam their psychosis straight into everybody's brain by TV, radio and newspapers. That makes the whole society an "echo chamber" of whatever the rulers have on their current agenda. And not just on your devices, but all the people you meet in real…

Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic. State level resources are being thrown to influence people. So you are being beamed some government propaganda anyway. I grew up in the forum days and internet discussions were very different back then. Accounts like “Endwokeness” would never work. People will make fun of him for being so obsessed with trans. You can’t just post some low effort political openings and wa…

> Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic.

Billions of people are posting real organic content on places like Instagram and Facebook. Their vacations, their workouts, their barbecues with friends, their thoughts and feelings on different matters. What you're saying is the opposite of truth.

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Post by Lerc »

toofy wrote: post #361
pembrook wrote: post #339

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OP writes a thoughtful, evidence-based comment. The mob responds with a 1-sentence emotional meme. Classic moral panic 101. It's impossible to fight feelings with logic unfortunately, which is why many western countries are going to fall into this trap and ultimately kill the idea of digital privacy and the open web forever. This particular moral panic is reaching peak trendiness, and the baptists and the bootleggers…

> The mob responds with a 1-sentence emotional meme. Classic moral panic 101. it was one person. im writing this comment 1 hour after yours, and still only a single person has responded and you’ve called one person, a mob. you’ve declared one person commenting to be a “moral panic.”

I shall echo the comment of pibaker with one caveat.

>The exact same sentiment is widely observed across this entire website.

You do see this sentiment across this website, but this doesn't mean that it is a view held by the majority of people here, the people motivated to act can create the illusion that their opinions are more widely held than they are.

A few days ago I posted a comment which, in it's entirety reads

>Perhaps things would work out better if people didn't say mean things regardless of who it's about.

>You can still criticise without being mean.

The comment sits at -4 today, and has one antagonistic response. I don't really think most people disagree with this sentiment.

The antagonistic response came from the same one person as the comment in this thread.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

cube00 wrote: post #469
CuriouslyC wrote: post #405

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I'm not a good marketer, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but the only thing I've found that works is replying to relevant comments in popular threads with neutral looking promotional material (e.g. github links). A well placed reply in a hot thread will easily drive 10x the value of a blog post.

Sadly a few have started doing this on HN now. (Short low effort comment agreeing with parent comment) I wrote more about this here...

I think it's possible to do it ethically, but anything that works is going to get gamed.

It's a pretty dark dystopian future where the only way for anyone to hear about anything is advertising or paid promotion by influencers because we're so aggressive about policing individuals marketing themselves.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ares623 wrote: post #411
newzino wrote: post #298

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Once again I am hoping for a ban on _smart_phones. Not laptops. Not tablets (although those could get tricky I admit). Not dumb phones. Details will need to be worked out (like smart watches or future VR devices). Maybe a combination of: - SIM - large enough screen or video playback capability - camera Easier to democratise enforcement (report and fine) and you don’t need to rely on the very platforms you are trying…

I think that's misguided. It's tricky to define a smart phone in a useful fashion as kids could get hold of mini devices that have wifi and bluetooth, but no other phone connections and surely that would be as bad as the smart phones.

I don't really see the issue with smart phones themselves - the problem is the attention whoring platforms that are warping people's minds and especially with young people, pushing unrealistic beauty/body standards.

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Post by duxup »

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #478
duxup wrote: post #217

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What is getting done here? Everyone but kids is still exposed, and likely still kids... Also you now have to have a license for social media, probably the internet eventually.

Not exposing kods to addictive drugs while they're still young and naive lowers their chances of consuming drugs when they're adults. The societies that will allow unchecked access to social media will collapse, just like ehat happened to China during the Opium wars. Everyone but kids still has access to cigarettes, doesn't mean we should allow sale pf tobacco to Minors.

At best everyone but kids still has unchecked access.

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Post by drecked »

andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

The hint is in the name.

In the early days they were social networks. The idea was to connect people. (The Facebook movie is called the Social Network…)

Now they’re social media. The idea is to push messages to you but this time the message is coming from a person you know so you’re psychologically more inclined to believe it.

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Post by this_steve_j »

alexjplant wrote: post #210
andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

Reddit has been a cesspit of recycled pablum, populist image macros and low effort reply comments for more than a decade. Enthusiast subreddits are astroturfed to hell and back by people with a Shopify storefront and a dream trying to growth hack their way to a hockey stick. The low barrier to entry to each community means that this vapid culture eventually diffuses itself across subreddits that might otherwise be go…

Comment of the week!

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Post by Tade0 »

q3k wrote: post #444
Tade0 wrote: post #109

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I am not referring to MySpace. It was a local-to-my-country social network which was outcompeted by another local-to-my-country social network, which in turn gave way to Facebook. I was aware of the existence of MySpace at the time, but it never had mainstream adoption locally. We also had not one but two mainstream messaging apps and hardly anyone was using MSN. Come to think of it, Facebook killed a lot of that hom…

My guess: grono.net :)

Yeah...

Nasza-klasa of course had its moments, but the flavour of cringe grono enabled was truly unique.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Unless of course you specifically know a guy who knows a guy. Otherwise I think we're safe.

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