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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by parthdesai »

sneak wrote: post #477
parthdesai wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does China go around the world invading countries in the name of freedom? > Content about the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles, killing people in Venezuela with bombs, and threatening Greenland, straight to top of feed. None of this is propaganda, it's just facts.

Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not

> Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic manipulation of information—including facts, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion, attitudes, and behaviors toward a specific cause, ideology, or agenda.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by superkuh »

drcongo wrote: post #478
superkuh wrote: post #359

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As much as I dislike TikTok, I dislike this dangerous mischaracterization even more. If you start propagating the meme that screens are like chemically addictive drugs the governments of the world will feel emboldened to use violence force to 'regulate' them. Screens are not drugs. They do not directly manipulate the biochemistry of incentive salience regardless of valence of perceived stimuli. They just provide enjo…

I'm sorry, but "playing in to the hands of the authoritarians" is using shite like TikTok, generating revenue for the authoritarian billionaires who are currently destroying the world.

We are not disagreeing. Definitely do not use TikTok for those and many other reasons. But calling an audio visual stimuli an addictive drug is just as wrong and dangerous. That will lead to those same authoritarians controlling screens with use of force justified by the false metaphor.

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Post by nathan_compton »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #265
nathan_compton wrote: post #201

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On occasion, it is worthwhile to take a step back and recognize that what is happening is not new or novel. Likewise, it is useful to recognize a pattern when it presents itself. It is extra useful ( and helpful ) that this is brought to the attention of other people who may still be going through the steps of processing of what seems to be happening. If it helps, I appreciate going meta after me, but there is not mu…

I don't think its any sort of "grand struggle" in any sense other than the human condition is a grand struggle for peace in a world which perhaps fundamentally encourages conflict, but it doesn't have to be a grand struggle to appreciate the fact that people are dying and being treated inhumanely.

I really do think you're fundamental warning is spot on: people really should consider how power is going to be used against them when calculating how much of it to give up in the pursuit of a goal. I also happen to think its sort of ridiculous (and impossible) for us all to wail and gnash our teeth each time a person dies unjustly. But I also think its probably wrong to be amused by it, even if it is commonplace in human affairs.

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Post by direwolf20 »

otterdude wrote: post #455
direwolf20 wrote: post #436

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I think it would do the opposite. The regular user posts 5 times per day, but the spammer has bought access to 65536 IP addresses and posts once from each, boosting his posts 5x. And the town in South America with one CGNAT IP address to go around gets censored.

The 65K IP addresses cost 1.638M dollars, thats alot more than they would spend doing the exact same thing today. The idea is to accept bad actors but make it more expensive and also you can directly identify cliques by IP ect.

You don't need to own them. You just need to rent the rights to send a spam message on a particular service using a proxy.

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Post by daveguy »

buran77 wrote: post #353
falcor84 wrote: post #324

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Sounds like you're in agreement with the parent - outside the US, people see content that reflects poorly on the US, and which is blocked for US citizens

The painful to answer question is whether the intention is to block the spreading of lies or the spreading of truth?

The intention is to block the spreading of anything that doesn't conform to dear leader's narrative. Accuracy has nothing to do with it.

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Post by aprentic »

curt15 wrote: post #404
woooooo wrote: post #279

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You're saying Chinese people are less informed than Americans about China?

Compare what is required to learn about the Tiananmen Square massacre from inside and outside the Great Firewall.

Given that they're regularly labeled as "pro democracy protests", I'd venture to say that most people outside the Great Firewall don't know much about it either.

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Post by cheeseomlit »

parthdesai wrote: post #491
sneak wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not > Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic manipulation of information—including facts, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion, attitudes, and behaviors toward a specific cause, ideology, or agenda.

>including facts

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Post by morkalork »

parthdesai wrote: post #472
dataviz1000 wrote: post #253

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It isn't so much as the rest of the world having easy access. It is what the Chinese want the rest of the world to see. If you are in a South American country using a residential IP in new incognito session, doom scroll, after the initial disturbing content, you will start to notice videos of the United States government physically attacking people born in the country of the residential IP address. The TikTok algorit…

Does China go around the world invading countries in the name of freedom? > Content about the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles, killing people in Venezuela with bombs, and threatening Greenland, straight to top of feed. None of this is propaganda, it's just facts.

You should see how some people justify Tibet..

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by devsda »

_vqpz wrote: post #319
therobots927 wrote: post #217

And HN users can’t upload anti-ICE articles or discuss politics without getting flagged and downvoted. So I guess HN was just ahead of the curve.

>Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.[0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html This has not changed in over ten years https://web.archive.org/web/20140702092610/https://news.ycom...

It may have not changed over ten years but its enforcement I believe has been lacking over the past 1-2 years.
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