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Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by KellyCriterion »

bsjaux628 wrote: post #487
p_v_doom wrote: post #479

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> the real cause of nobody being able to afford anything is rent extractors. Employers/Owners are essentially rent extractors to workers. Its even worse IMO. They buy some of your time to do stuff for them. They also lend you the tools and materials to do your job. And they own whatever you produce. If you are selling your one hour for 100 bucks to produce ten linen coats worth 100 bucks each, you get a 100, everythi…

Yes, because the employer just happened to be the first one to find the fully built and equipped coat factory and he declared himself the boss. He in no way shape or form had to risk his capital to set up a successful business, so he should be living from scraps

Well, this is not was OP said ;-)

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by Tarq0n »

gruez wrote: post #305
roughly wrote: post #300

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> A simplified model is needed otherwise rigorous analysis becomes impossible If your tools aren’t capable of rigorous analysis of a model that retains enough detail to capture the salient features of the thing they’re trying to model, they’re not the tools for the job.

What's the "salient feature" that's missing? From all the other replies it sounds like people are still relying on the handwavy argument that "pay workers more -> workers spend more -> you can pay workers more -> repeat", but can't articulate where the actual growth is coming from. If this is true, the communism would have beaten capitalism, because they would be able to exploit this better than any capitalist system…

The salient feature is that people consume a higher percentage of their wages than investors do of their wealth. Redistributing some profits to wages means that money gets spent, inducing demand. This also has a higher multiplier effect than profits, because consumer spending can move through the economy multiple times in a measurement period.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by littlecranky67 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #377
littlecranky67 wrote: post #373

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You assume all models will be closed-source and there will be no competition. I can imagine that, but I would assume training an AI model for ad-filtering is something the community can and will do - maybe think 5 years ahead what hardware will be available for training and inference to a "small developer".

I don’t assume that at all. I’m saying that they just need to capture the vast majority of people, which has happened many times. For instance, Linux is available to everyone and would end a lot of frustrations and headaches they currently experience with macOS and windows. But for many reasons it still remains in the low single digit percentages when it comes to adoption, a lot of which is inflated by the steam deck…

> Linux is available to everyone and would end a lot of frustrations and headaches they currently experience with macOS

That is a very bad argument for the AI thing, because as a Linux fan (started in the late 90s with Linux) I am using a Macbook because the Laptop story on Linux is not at all a success story. The headaches macOS causes would just be exchanged for the headaches Linux does.

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Post by abustamam »

sandspar wrote: post #478
browningstreet wrote: post #151

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I pay a handsome subscription sum for The Wire music magazine. The ads are an important resource in a niche marketplace.

Somewhat similar but I love my niche Instagram ads. Meta serves me endless ads for diecast miniatures, art toys, obscure manga etc. Stuff that I love and would never have found otherwise.

Yeah same here. Google ads are almost always worthless, but IG ads seem to know my tastes exactly, and I hardly actually use Instagram (just log in to message people and watch some friends' stories a few times a week). I'm not sure how Google dropped the ball here, because I've been an active user of Google products forever.

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Post by fsflover »

ElFitz wrote: post #378
prmoustache wrote: post #167

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I am all for it but it would be hard to enforce. Ads are already hidden everywhere. Someone "review" a product? Most of the time it is a hidden ad even if the reviewer hasn't been paid with money for that. Watches a movie or a video clip? A lots of products are advertised through close ups on the logos, etc.

Even a sign on the street is basically an ad. That plastic cow or pig head telling you there’s a butcher or cheesemonger? It’s basically an ad. Possibly one of the oldest type too!

Sings on the owners' houses aren't paid ads.

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Post by prmoustache »

bflesch wrote: post #274
prmoustache wrote: post #179

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> But Switzerland is a totally different country than serbia to operate it. CIA vs Putin. Not that different imho.

Your "humble opinion" is totally worthless because your are using false equivalence bias in order to minimize the atrocities and war crimes that putin has committed against Ukraine and the citizens of many other countries including his own.

Are you saying that USA do not commit war crimes? Oh yes that's right, they kill and commit atrocities even without declaring war!

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Post by xvokcarts »

Aurornis wrote: post #351
pepinator wrote: post #224

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it surprises me how many people simply don't get the point. they say "they make more money this way, so it's ok". no big picture at all.

What big picture? Can you elaborate, or just snide drive-by criticisms? I mean I understand that a lot of people in this comment section wish ads didn’t exist and that everyone just automatically knew about relevant products and services without ads, but it all reads like utopian fantasy stuff.

I guess a lot of people feel that if they didn’t have the ability to know about all relevant products and services, the quality of their lives wouldn’t suffer.

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Post by prmoustache »

Bjartr wrote: post #203
prmoustache wrote: post #174

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> Companies absolutely will offer ad-free experiences. Google has youtube premium, which even compensates creators with half your sub as well. Evenly distributed too. Youtube premium is not ad-free, you still gets whatever ads are embedded in the actual content.

YouTube premium delivers the content you select to consume to you without displaying ads in-platform. If you then use that ad-free platform to consume content that includes ads, that's on you.

That doesn't change the fact that you are still getting delivered ads so it is not ad-free.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by prmoustache »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #198
prmoustache wrote: post #174

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> Companies absolutely will offer ad-free experiences. Google has youtube premium, which even compensates creators with half your sub as well. Evenly distributed too. Youtube premium is not ad-free, you still gets whatever ads are embedded in the actual content.

YT premium comes with their own version of sponsor block, but you manually have to hit the skip button. But I don't hold youtube accountable for what creators decide to put in their videos. I would grind my axe with the creator instead, it's their video and their choice. Youtube gets no cut from those segments.

The fact you hold them acountable or not is one thing. Calling it ad-free is another.
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