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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by kapone »

HNisCIS wrote: post #454
ceejayoz wrote: post #192

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> The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders… The American military at the time cared - at least somewhat - about the international reputation of the United States. That may not always be a thing. It may not be a thing now.

The American military is designed to operate away from its shores. One hunting rifle round into the transformer outside of the bases and they're trucking in fuel for generators, a few rounds into the fuel trucks and they have no power. They would have to mobilize massive resources to secure Lockheed and Raytheon facilities from sabotage... Keep thinking along these lines and you realize the situation for them is actu…

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Post by codezero »

pjc50 wrote: post #159
codezero wrote: post #99

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It took me 15 minutes to buy an AR-15 and a pistol in 2025, how did the left do this?

OK, now what happens when you show up in front of an ICE agent while carrying an AR-15? How, specifically, do you use the gun to effect political change?

I wasn’t suggesting that. The post I responded to basically said the left alienated people by restricting 2a, and it’s really not at all restricted. Some states are more restrictive than others but that’s not an overall “The Left” problem to be called out.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by IAmBroom »

Fazebooking wrote: post #437

Journalists are the backbone of a healthy democracy. FU USA FU And just to be clear: The biggest military force of the world threatens denmark, scrambles the economy around the world due to sudden politic changes (tarifs) and destroys its own integrity as an ally

Oh, we're clear.

We're just powerless to do anything, as the (probably) legally elected administration runs this ship like its own personal party barge into ... everything in sight.

Our Checks refuse to speak up in Congress, and our Balances keep voting to make the (current) POTUS immune to the law.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by y1n0 »

rendaw wrote: post #424
perihelions wrote: post #328

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> "So in this case the government is raiding the home of someone who did not commit any crime, in the hopes of getting at people who might have." That's unequivocally a lawful basis for a court-ordered search warrant. They must have probable cause that the person being searched has evidence of a crime; not necessarily that the search target and the criminal suspect are one and the same. Search is investigative; not p…

I agree that's what GP wrote, but I think GP's point is that it's not illegal for journalists to have classified documents, so it does not qualify as probable cause.

Try reading the comment you replied to again. A valid reason for a search is the collection of evidence of a crime. Which orthogonal to whether the person or premisses committed a crime.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by peab »

cdrnsf wrote: post #472
peab wrote: post #194

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I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?

You can enforce immigration laws without shooting people in the face, ramming into their vehicles, ripping them out and putting them in illegal chokeholds, shipping them to prisons in El Salvador, firing tear gas at legal observers and on and on. It also wasn't an agency prior to 9/11. It should be dissolved. All ERO agents should be prosecuted and or barred from all future public service.

Oh interesting, i didn't know it was a post 9/11 agency.

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Post by IAmBroom »

scoofy wrote: post #447

This shit needs to stop. If you have any Republican representatives right now, you might consider writing them every day. We can disagree on tax policy, immigration policy, even very strong issues, and I'm happy to fight about those issues and respect disagreement. But in the last month, the president has invaded a foreign country without even notifying congress, has used literal thug tactics to try to get lower inte…

Strongly worded letters to one's Congressperson are the equivalent to "thoughts and prayers". It doesn't matter how just (you think) your cause is; it will never achieve anything.

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Post by codezero »

johnisgood wrote: post #291
budududuroiu wrote: post #285

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"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reaso…

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It’s police procedure to not stand in front of cars.

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Post by anigbrowl »

johnisgood wrote: post #325
packetlost wrote: post #315

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Even if the 1st shot through the front of the vehicle is ruled (if it even gets to that point) to be legit, the 2nd and 3rd through the side window almost certainly wouldn't. There's virtually no way this guy walks free if it goes to a fair trial. If I was on a jury for that case, I'd need some very, very convincing evidence to suggest the officer was in serious fear for his life (or anyone else's) given the publicly…

I mean, at 03:05 she does drive into him, and I have a feeling she would have ended up dead anyway were it police officers instead of ICE. I have watched LOTS of bodycam footages and it is crazy to me that people get shot in scenarios that does not require lethal force, but people seem to side with the cops. I think neither cops nor ICE should be doing this shit.

The ICE agent decided to use his gun 10 seconds before the shooting, when the car was stationary and he was in a safe location, to the right of it, and well behind the front. We know this because his own cellphone video shows him switching his cellphone into his left hand from his right. After a brief verbal interaction with the departing partner of Renee Good, and seeing her about to get into the vehicle, he chose to walk in front of it (a violation of procedure), with his hand on his service weapon.

She doesn't 'drive into him.' He engineered the situation by deciding to ready his service weapon and then leaving a place of safety to step in front of a vehicle whose occupants were visibly preparing to depart. Perhaps he learned this tactic in Border Patrol, where he used to work:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/us-border-agents-i...

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Post by xdennis »

k2enemy wrote: post #64
Nifty3929 wrote: post #46

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The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimate defense for the people against the government. I too wish people also cared as much about the 1st amendment, but sadly I think the tide is turning on that. Too many on both the right and left seem okay with censorship and harassment.

Kind of ironic that there's a big overlap in the venn diagram between 2nd amendment enthusiasts and the crowd that is cheering on the government's authoritarian actions.

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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by nobody9999 »

rmah wrote: post #435
peab wrote: post #194

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I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?

It saddens me that your rather innocuous comment has been down-voted so aggressively. Immigration enforcement is required. Illegal immigration should be discouraged. ICE's current tactics seem overly aggressive to me and, yes, seem to be used politically. But immigration laws should still be enforced. I imagine you'd agree that if ICE agents/supervisors act beyond the scope of their duties or with excessive force, th…

>It saddens me that your rather innocuous comment has been down-voted so aggressively.

Despite the ridiculous narrative that Obama and Biden were "bringing in illegals en masse to vote for Democrats," if you look at the actual numbers, it's not surprising that folks are down-voting that comment.

Mostly because those previous administrations (Obama and Biden) managed to deport many more undocumented folks than either this or the previous Trump administration, without the thuggery, violence and murder we're seeing now.

I'd note that even without the gratuitous violence and intimidation, folks were also protesting Obama's and Biden's ICE activities.

Because the real issue around immigration in the US is that our system is broken and we haven't constructively addressed those problems for nearly 40 years.

So no. I'm not surprised by the down-votes because there's nuance that's being glossed over and, while doing so, giving violent thugs a pass by claiming that they're "enforcing the law," even though they're doing a crap job while harming our citizens, legal residents and helping to destroy what's left of our civil society.

I'm not pushing any "broader political narrative" either. Just pointing out a few things not mentioned in your or GP's comments.

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