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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by tom_m »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

That's the entire reason I don't use Claude's models. I don't want to use Claude Code. I want to use their models, just not their crappy software.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by mhast »

Majromax wrote: post #361
elAhmo wrote: post #263

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This take is ridiculous. Nearly everyone who uses Max agrees that what they get for the money paid is an amazing deal. If you don't use or understand how LLMs fit in your workflows, you are not the target customer. But for people who use it daily, it is a relatively small investment compared to the time saved.

> If you don't use or understand how LLMs fit in your workflows, you are not the target customer. I feel like this is a major area of divergence. The "vibes" are bifurcating between "coding agents are great!" and "coding agents are all hype!", with increasing levels of in-group communication. How should I, an agent-curious user, begin to unravel this mess if $200 is significantly more than pocket change? The pro-agen…

If you just want to play I believe the Google alternative can even run on the free tokens you get from them. It's not going to do all that much before running out of tokens but you can probably have it make a simple single page web site for a company or something like that.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by tom_m »

danmaz74 wrote: post #300
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) "Should have" for what reason? I would be happy if they open sourced Claude Code, but the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves. Asking them to give it away for free to their competitors se…

Nah, I think Opus is fantastic but not Claude Code. Their models are way better.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

luckilydiscrete wrote: post #161
isodev wrote: post #157

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I also don’t use AI for coding. I tried, I explored, I learned how it works. At the end, “maybe-sometimes works” and “sends a copy of all your code to some server in the US” are just incompatible with the kind of software I create. Regarding the post, I think it’s telling that Anthropic is trying to force people into using their per-usage billing more than the subscription. My take is that the subscription offers a l…

I'll say "maybe-sometimes works" is a misunderstanding. It feels like that initially, but that's no different from any new tool you adopt. A jackhammer also "maybe-sometimes works" as a hammer replacement.

Completely depends on your domain. TypeScript web dev? Very good experience for a lot of tasks. Minecraft mod development? Don’t waste your time.

I only have a few experiences to pull from so if anyone else has good data points give them.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by ilvez »

senordevnyc wrote: post #393
redbluered wrote: post #291

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I think they are. The key question is about why they want to you to use the CLI. If you're not the customer, you're the product. There's also a monopolistic aspect to this. Having the best model isn't something over can legally exploit to gain advantage in adjacent markets. It reeks of "Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run," Windows showing spurious error messages for DR-DOS, and Borland C++ losing to the then-in…

If you're not the customer, you're the product. You are the customer, you're paying them directly.

We are both in this case..

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by [deleted] »

llmslave2 wrote: post #285
misternugget wrote: post #180

Engineer working on Amp here. I'm very surprised that it took them this long to crack down on it. It's been against the terms of service from the start. When I asked them back in March last year whether individuals can use the higher rate limits that come with the Claude Code subscription in other applications, that was also a no. Question is: what changed? New founding round coming up, end of fiscal year, planning f…

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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by wahnfrieden »

sams99 wrote: post #68
wahnfrieden wrote: post #9

Meanwhile, OpenAI co-signs https://github.com/steipete/oracle which lets you use your ChatGPT subscription to gain programmatic/agentic access to 5.2 Pro via automating browser access to the web frontend. Karpathy and other leaders have praised this feature on X. If that is indeed so welcome, imagine what else you could script via their website to get around Codex rate limits or other such things. After all what coud…

Codex requires stuffing a very specific system prompt otherwise the custom endpoint will reject you

Seems trivial: https://x.com/badlogicgames/status/2009811506578207029

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by FuckButtons »

mnky9800n wrote: post #358
stingraycharles wrote: post #348

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What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider it worth it. What part of “OpenCode broke the TOS of something well defined” makes you think it’s all Anthropic’s fault?

My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do now in Claude code irrelevant.

My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do irrelevant.

FTFY.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by FuckButtons »

eli wrote: post #139
CSSer wrote: post #134

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I used to be less cynical, but I could see them not honoring that, legal or not. The real answer, regardless of how you feel about that conversation, is that Claude Code, not any model, is the product.

I couldn't. Aside from violating laws in various countries and opening them up to lawsuits, it would be extremely bad for their enterprise business if they were caught stealing user data.

They don’t need to use your data for an external facing product to get utility from it. Their tos explicitly states that they don’t train generative models on user data. That does not include reward models, judges or other internal tooling that otherwise allows them to improve.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by phito »

throwaway7783 wrote: post #63
NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #13

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Lmao? seriously. Claude Code is epic levels terrible compared to opencode.

Can you elaborate?

There's been a lot of very bad bugs for a long time and they don't seem to care about fixing them. Eg the screen flicker: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/3648
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