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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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rcxdude wrote: post #234
aldarion wrote: post #209

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"generally people tend to think that macronutrients work independently of each other" Well, that is obviously the wrong idea. Even basic logic speaks against it: people lose weight on keto diet, people lose weight on vegan diet... so neither protein, fat nor carbs can be causing obesity. But what do foods that we know are obesogenic have in common? 1) They are highly processed and/or 2) they combine fats and carbs in…

The big question with such foods is are they worse for you just in and of themselves, or do they tend to promote obesity through inducing people to eat more? For the most part, research seems to suggest that as far as weight gain is concerned, calorie is a calorie (whether from fat, carbs, or protein), but some foods seem to induce people to eat more in general, compared to others. (highly processed and high-sugar fo…

From what I have gathered (through research and by using myself as a guinea pig), there are two things about highly processed food that promote overeating: 1) high carbohydrate content 2) lack of nutrients

High carbohydrate content causes sugar spikes, which leads to insulin spikes, and insulin spikes both a) cause hunger and b) promote storage of energy in the form of body fat: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3894001/

Second issue is as I said lack of nutrients. Your body needs nutrients, and will force you to eat until nutritional requirements had been satisfied. Since processed foods have very few nutrients, your organism compensates by increasing dietary intake... which means increasing caloric intake.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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delichon wrote: post #490
aldarion wrote: post #486

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Thing about the keto diet is that "hungry all the time" simply... doesn't happen. In fact, bigger problem for keto dieters tends to be being satiated all the time and consequently undereating. "Hungry all the time" is actually vegan thing, but plants have so few calories and pass through so quickly that vegans end up being skinny despite eating literally all the time.

I think it's an adequate-good-quality-protein-consumption thing rather than a keto specific thing.

It is definitely not protein. I tried carnivore diet for a while (had massive issues tolerating carbs lol), and the higher my protein intake was, more hungry I felt. Reducing protein and increasing fat also increased satiety.

Turns out, it is fats that produce satiety signals, and the effect seems to be by far the strongest with saturated fats, weaker with monounsaturated fats, while polyunsaturated fats actually induce hunger as strongly or even more strongly than carbohydrates do. The idea that "protein induces satiety" is a side effect of the fact that most (though not all) protein foods tend to be quite fatty.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

snemvalts wrote: post #316
al_borland wrote: post #151

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Eating nothing but processed foods, sugar, and heavily processed grains? That sounds like the opposite of what Kennedy recommends, which is a recipe for obesity and type 2 diabetes. He’s got his problems, many of them, but eating real food without a bunch of processing seems like a fairly common sense thing.

Red meat (a known carcinogen) at the top is gold. All that saturated fat the energy will come from (not from protein or veggies) will probably cause heart problems and plaque formation in arteries, not to mention insulin resistance just from increased FFAs in blood. Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW.

Because they don't eat processed foods.

Also, red meat isn't a known carcinogen. Processed meat is. And plaque formation in arteries is a consequence of inflammation... which is caused by sugar, a.k.a. carbohydrates. Insulin resistance is also a consequence of increased carbohydrate consumption.

But as I said, it is a combination of fats and carbs that is the worst killed. Eliminating either one of those from the diet leads to an automatic improvement.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

devilsdata wrote: post #338
brodouevencode wrote: post #199

The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf

It recommends eating more saturated fats from dairy and meat, both of which are very bad for CVD.

Saturated fat isn't bad for CVD, unless you eat it together with carbohydrates.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

oxag3n wrote: post #335

Do your own research, it's not that hard: * Select a subset of diets that might fit your lifestyle. * Make a list of categories you consume: refined sugars, all kinds of fats, gluten, dairy. * Look for published papers on diets and categories. I did a few dramatic changes throughout my life based on researches I did, not the hype. The first one was refined sugars for me and my kids - they didn't have a single cavity…

I have IBS, and what I did was literally that I kept a list of foods and symptoms they cause me.

Turns out, carbohydrate-rich foods cause me massive issues, too much protein causes me some issues. Saturated fat is the least damaging to my gut health, followed my monounsaturated fats. Polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates are the devil I have to avoid, no questions asked.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

loeg wrote: post #358
aldarion wrote: post #156

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High-fat high-carb diet certainly is. There is however no conclusive data that high-fat low-carb diet OR low-fat high-carb diet contribute to CVD.

> There is however no conclusive data that high-fat low-carb diet ... contributes to CVD. Have to be a little careful with this claim. Dietary saturated fat and cholesterol are problematic either way.

No, they are not. Dietary cholesterol has little to zero impact on blood cholesterol, and saturated fat we don't have reliable data that points to it being harmful either, when accounting for other influences.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

andor wrote: post #361
kortex wrote: post #114

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Yes. Sugar (and all of its downstream phenomena - diabetes, insulin resistance, the ease in which sugar adds calories without satiation signals) is well established to contribute to CVD. Long-chain (animal based) sat fat and trans fat is also well established to contribute to CVD. The high calorie density of fatty foods plays a big role, as does the overall palatability and "eatability" of low fiber, high fat, high s…

Sugar doesn't cause insulin resistance or (type 2) diabetes. Both are a result of being overweight. Of course, you can get overweight by eating too much sugar, but it's really about not eating too many calories long-term, regardless of the source. And of course, refined sugar isn't healthy at all and consumption should be kept to a minimum, outside of exercise.

Carbohydrates do cause insulin resistance and diabetes. India has average BMI of 21,9, yet has very high incidence of diabetes - largely thanks to its carbohydrate-based diet.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aldarion »

lfliosdjf wrote: post #340

Has any one successfully code with same focus after cutting sugar? Seems sugar is really important for focus. Whats your experience?

I don't code, but I do know that not eating sugar significantly improves my focus no matter what I'm doing.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aziaziazi »

aldarion wrote: post #486
majkinetor wrote: post #270

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That is not correct. People lose fat on calorie restricted diet. How will you get to it, either by counting them or by improving metabolism or by changing insulin levels, is a different thing. Vegan or keto diet can both be calorie restricted, as much as any macronutrient mixture. However, it doesn't mean its sustainable. If you are hungry all the time, you can stay on the diet for some time, but not forever. Since i…

Thing about the keto diet is that "hungry all the time" simply... doesn't happen. In fact, bigger problem for keto dieters tends to be being satiated all the time and consequently undereating. "Hungry all the time" is actually vegan thing, but plants have so few calories and pass through so quickly that vegans end up being skinny despite eating literally all the time.

> plants have so few calories

You mean leafs, not plants? Cereals, beans, fruits and some roots have plenty of calories but your true fatty friends are all sorts of seeds and nuts. You also can buy their fat extract: oil.

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