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Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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>> I write a lot of SQL and I haven't had these issues for months, even with smaller models. Opus can one shot most of my queries faster than I could type them. Same. SOTA models crush every SQL question I give them.

What is SOTA?

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Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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> If an LLM is typing that code - and it can maintain a test suite that shows everything works correctly - maybe we don't need that abstraction after all. But this is a highly non-trivial problem. How do you even possibly manually verify that the test suite is complete and tests all possible corner cases (of which there are so many because synchronizing state is a hard problem)? At least React solves this problem in…

You don't, same as for the "generate momentjs and use it". People now firmly believe they can use an LLM to build custom versions of these libraries and rewrite whole ecosystems out of nowhere because Claude said "here's the code". I've come to realize fighting this is useless, people will do this, its going to create large fuck ups and there will be heaps of money to be made on the cleanup jobs.

I think the gap between people dealing with JavaScript cruft all day and backend large systems development is creating a massive conversational disconnect… like, this thread is plain-faced and seriously discussing reinventing date handling locally for funsies.

I also think that any company creating a reverse-centaur workforce of blind and dumb half baked devs ritualistically shaking chicken bones at their pay-as-you-go automaton has effectively outsourced their core business to OpenAI/MS while paying for the privilege. And, on the twenty year timeline as service and capital costs create crunches, those mega corps will literally be sitting on whole copies of internal business schematics and critical code of their subservient customers…

They say things, they do other things. Trusting Microsoft not to eat your sector through abusive partner programs and licensing entanglements backed with government capture? Surely the LLMs can explain how that has gone historically and how smart that is going forward.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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I admit to pangs of this, but it's really never made any sense because the implication is that the profession is now magically closed off to newcomers. Imagine someone in the 90s saying "if you don't master the web NOW you will be forever behind!" and yet 20 years later kids who weren't even born then are building web apps and frameworks. Waiting for it to all shake out and "mastering" it then is still a strategy. Th…

Finally a voice of reason. The tools will just get better and easier to use. I use LLMs now, but I'm not going to dump a bunch of time learning the new hotness. I'll let other people do that and pickup the useful pieces later. Unless your gunning for a top position as a vibe coder, this whole concept of "falling behind" is just pure FOMO.

Doing small project for customer. They have explicit instructions that I can't even use some unapproved AI... So well they are paying. So until it is actually forced I see no pressure to move there.

And rest of my field. Automated tools do part of work. AI probably some, but not enough of actually verifying findings and then properly explaining the context and implications.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Definitely don't hang out on Hacker News then. It's absolutely the worst place for imposter syndrome or people with any kind of skill inferiority anxiety or confidence issue. Half the reason I read HN is because the anxiety it induces is moderately constructive in motivating me to ensure I keep learning and stay up to date. But I definitely come away every day with a distinct impression I'm below baseline in skill an…

Really? It’s the opposite for me. The number of people being confident about things they have no clue about just makes me more arrogant.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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i do use LLMs a lot for programming recently. i do not use „agents“ or any other new stuff. while i have always felt behind, i do not feel more behind now, not using agents, mcp etc.

maybe i am too ignorant and don‘t see what i am missing. and i am still writing code and enjoying it.

just the terminology of agents, vibe coding, prompt engineering etc is weirdly offputting to me.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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As an Opus user, I genuinely don’t understand how someone can work for weeks or months without regularly opening an IDE. The output almost always fails. I repeatedly rewrite prompts, restate the same constraints, and write detailed acceptance criteria, yet still end up with broken or non-functional code.its very frustrating to say the least Yesterday alone I spent about $200 on generations that now require significan…

Most people have not fully grasped how LLM's work and how to properly utilize agentic coding solutions. That is the reason for issues when it comes to vibe coders having low quality code. But that is not the limitation of technology but the user (at this stage). Basically think of it this way everyone is the grandma that has been handed a palm pilot to use to get things done. Grandma needs an iPhone not a palm pilot…

If you don't know how to code then you are not able to judge what your producing accurately.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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I admit to pangs of this, but it's really never made any sense because the implication is that the profession is now magically closed off to newcomers. Imagine someone in the 90s saying "if you don't master the web NOW you will be forever behind!" and yet 20 years later kids who weren't even born then are building web apps and frameworks. Waiting for it to all shake out and "mastering" it then is still a strategy. Th…

Absolutely agree.

I took this approach when the Kubernetes hype hit and it never limited my prospects.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Most of the folks that are talking about this are the ones who work independently and work on greenfield projects (especially tooling related). The cost of making a mistake there is so low. I've used it similarly and it's absolutely amazing. Though I still use a mix of agents and code myself in my regular 9-5 job. I've yet to see examples of folks using this in a team of 4+ folks working together in a production env…

Yeah. It's pretty telling to look at profiles of people who replied to his tweet.
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