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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by voxl »

kragen wrote: post #276
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

As I see it, someone who "listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride" would include a note at the end of the post about the edits. Admitting you were wrong requires not erasing the evidence of what you said. (He did post a kind of vague apology in https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p... , but it's ambiguous enough that anyone who was offended is free to read it as either retracting t…

The reality is he wasn't wrong, he just didn't care to deal with the tone policing concern trolls of HN and elsewhere.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by serial_dev »

ljm wrote: post #328
embedding-shape wrote: post #206

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Never understood that either. If someone was wrong and bad, and now they're trying to do right and good, we need to celebrate that. Not just because that's awesome in itself, but also to give the opportunity and incentives for others in the future to do better. If everyone is always bad regardless if they're trying to change, what incentives would they have from changing at all? It doesn't make any sense.

I agree with the sentiment (people changing their minds), but the flipside to that is people pleasing. Someone who capitulates under even the slightest pressure is not much better than the person who is set in their ways. The trouble there, of course, is that the motivation for changing (or not changing) one's mind is not always clear, and it's easy to score points from spinning it one way or another.

You can’t read people’s mind, so when in doubt, assume good intention.

It’s not particularly relevant (to me as a random non-zig affiliated HN reader) why they right their wrongs, as long as they did it, I find it positive (at least better than if they had left the monkey comments in the post).

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by inferiorhuman »

bastardoperator wrote: post #487
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

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   It just seems like someone got upset about something they can't articulate
Dunno, they don't play well to the HN crowd I thought it was pretty clear what their pain points with GitHub were.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by kragen »

voxl wrote: post #491
kragen wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I see it, someone who "listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride" would include a note at the end of the post about the edits. Admitting you were wrong requires not erasing the evidence of what you said. (He did post a kind of vague apology in https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p... , but it's ambiguous enough that anyone who was offended is free to read it as either retracting t…

The reality is he wasn't wrong, he just didn't care to deal with the tone policing concern trolls of HN and elsewhere.

That is absolutely a viable reading of what he wrote, yes.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by oaiey »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #461
oaiey wrote: post #421

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[..] in a product not people. Insulting people is never a solution.

>Insulting people is never a solution. That can not be absolutely true.

Nothing is absolutely true, but in this case definitely

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by inferiorhuman »

ethin wrote: post #361
rzwitserloot wrote: post #340

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There is utility in indicating how surprised / concerned you are at a certain process or event. We can flatten out all communication and boil everything down to an extremely neutral "up", "down", and "nailed it to exacting precision". I find the fact that this painting has been hung crooked by 0.00001º: down I find torture and mass murder: down Clearly this is a ridiculous state of affairs. There's more gradations av…

If I could upvote you, I would. I have never liked the mob of people that think we should all be super diplomatic corpospeakers who hedge everything and who think that not doing so is "offensive" or "unprofessional". I definitely didn't think anything was wrong with the original sentences or word usage, because it wasn't aimed at any specific individual with the deliberate intent of being offensive, but was aimed at…

  There's a reason humans invent colourful language and epithets. They always
  do, in all languages. Because it's useful!

  I have never liked the mob of people that think we should all be super
  diplomatic corpospeakers who hedge everything and who think that not doing
  so is "offensive" or "unprofessional".
Agreed with you and OP. More to the point, the final rewrite leaves out any meaningful why. Perhaps they could/should be more diplomatic about their distaste, but leaving it out all together leaves quite the elephant in the room.

Then again the front end rewrite (which GitHub was crowing about for quite a while) and doubling down on AI nonsense got me to stop using GH for personal projects and to stop contributing to projects hosted on GH.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by inferiorhuman »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #472
crystal_revenge wrote: post #422

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In all seriousness, this comment really makes me want to try out Zig!

You want a language that releases a compiler on a specific platform then intentionally breaks it for everyone on something trivial just to troll and irritate them?

Last I checked even Apple migrated to LF. Perhaps it's time for Windows to stop being the odd man out? Regardless:

  not work with every windows text editor
Last I checked both Visual Studio Code and Notepad++ can both make line endings configurable. That covers a plurality of use cases. Even the built-in Notepad supports using CR or LF only for going on eight years now.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Tor3 »

esafak wrote: post #320
justin66 wrote: post #161

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> Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answered, number of followers for an account. All these things are powerful indicators of quality Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

OK, indicators of interest. Would you bet on a project nobody cares about?

There are projects, or repositories, with a very narrow target audience, sometimes you can count them on one hand. Important repositories for those few who need them, and there aren't any alternatives. Things like decoders for obscure and undocumented backup formats and the like.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bastardoperator »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #493
bastardoperator wrote: post #487

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It just seems like someone got upset about something they can't articulate Dunno, they don't play well to the HN crowd I thought it was pretty clear what their pain points with GitHub were.

ICE, Actions, and Microsoft, not a single complaint about git itself. All I see is they have CI issues coupled with dumbest anti AI policy that is impossible for them to enforce. Giving up your donations and losing half your community doesn't seem like an intelligent move when all you had to do is update your CI.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by zelphirkalt »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

Whatever the wording, what they are writing truly shows on Github. There are many things wrong with its code display ... All of which used to work fine or were not added in this buggy state in the first place.

Code folding is buggy. Have some functions that have inner functions or other foldable stuff like classes with methods and inside the method maybe some inner function? It will only show folding buttons sporadically, seemingly without pattern.

Also standard text editing stuff like "double click and drag" no longer properly works without issues/has weird effects and behavior. The inspection of identifiers interferes with being able to properly select text.

The issue search is stupid too, often doesn't find the things one searches for.

You must be logged in to search properly too.

Most of the functionality is tied to running that JavaScript.

In short, it shows typical signs of a platform that is more and more JavaScriptianized with bloated frameworks making things work half-assed and not properly tested for sane standard behavior.

But there is more. Their silly AI bots closing issues. "State bot". "Dependabot". All trash or half thought out annoying (mis-)features. Then recently I read here on HN, that apparently a project maintainer can edit another person's post! This reeks of typical Microsoft issues with permissions to do things and not properly thinking such a thing through. Someone internally must be pushing for all this crap.

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