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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

I'd take a different answer to this question: philosophy. In times before Abrahamic religion developing or adopting a life philosophy was seen as a practical obligation for a man. This is where you saw the rise of everything from the Pythagorean to the Stoics. It seems that the rise of Abrahamic religions is what largely brought an end to this and mandated a sort of one-size-fits-all philosophy for everybody. Now in…

Thank you for this perspective. It's not something I considered yet it deeply resonated with me.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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It’s really not fixed; you can easily train your mind to be less neurotic and more joyful

It really is wild the degree to which you can simply dictate your own mood. If I catch myself feeling grumpy or down, it is pretty easy to reframe and summon genuine happiness. Even during intense suffering of various kinds. To a large extent you get to decide which universe you live in.

I think this is a little silly and stretching the language a bit.

I agree entirely with what you're saying about being able to reframe a mood. I feel relatively in control of my emotions, and am normally the person to try bring a positive spin on a bad situation.

However, the happiness I get from reframing something is exactly that. It's "happiness", relative to the immediate recent sadness.

If you accept that there's any nuance or scale to happiness, then I think it's incorrect to say that happiness relative to reframing something bad is equivalent to "genuine happiness" of e.g. the success of a loved one, or a major life celebration.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I know a couple of intimidatingly intelligent people who are burdened with serious depression.

The one who talks about it thinks it’s because of their intellect, that they can see more than most people; that they have some special insight.

I’ve asked them to explain this special insight that other people “don’t get” and my thoughts on it are:

It’s not the insight that causes the problem. It’s accepting what they see. The kind of intellect they are using is great for discovering things but to accept what you discover is a different skill, which doesn’t seem to come along with a high IQ.

I don’t believe being intelligent makes you less happy. I believe a very well developed IQ-type intelligence coupled with an underdeveloped EQ-type intelligence is a recipe for unhappiness.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Perhaps you're depressed?

Far from it. But you only have to watch the news to see the world is a shithole and people are the worst.

The news is not real life. Perhaps go outside and see how friendly and pleasant things are.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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> unhappiness stems from the negative mismatch of one's expectation vs experienced reality A juvenile unhappiness perhaps so. I would suggest adult one may stem from deep understanding how this world is built, altogether with futile attempts to change it. Its taking all things as they are, and yet being sad exactly for the way they are.

But that still means you are unable to emotionally accept this understanding, that the world is as it is for perfectly logical reasons if you go down deep enough. And no attempt is futile, every act should matter to you.

I would like to think it is not the case. It is also not entirely sure logical reasons can explain things as they are in entirety, it’s rather our attempt to explain things.

If you accept doesn’t mean you agree. You still get to internal peace.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I’d do anything for a single high IQ , but open minded friend. I find every smart person I’ve met thinks the best strategy in life is to parrot other smart people. Don’t get me wrong it can be a successful strategy but I want someone to do first principles thinking with.

That's one reason why LLMs are so popular.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#498
I thought this article wasn't great, really. It was interesting, but I expected some more takeaways. Like this was the main consistent point I could find:

> they find that the people who score high on one of the many intelligences tend to score high on the others, too, just as Spearman would’ve predicted a hundred years ago.

It keeps coming up through the article, and it feels like the author disagrees with it and doesn't want to accept it, but doesn't give a solid argument against it.

I think intelligence comes down to perceived truth. An intelligent person is someone who demonstrates awareness of something about the world that feels intuitively true that you hadn't heavily considered before.

Intelligence is the word we use to describe people or things that are able to do this truth-revealing with some consistency - for whatever reason.

I think the unhappiness associated with certain types of intellect comes from the clash of that definition of intelligence with the concept of civil society.

The dream of a civil society is where we all work together equally to solve eachothers problems, and we all coexist as peers. The reality of that definition of intelligence is that some people are just a hell of a lot better for society than others.

When a person who doesn't feel intelligent has a problem, the expectation of society is that someone intelligent somewhere, somehow, will have solved that problem for them.

An intelligent person has the opposite experience: they see their problems more clearly, and they don't have the safety net of knowing the best performing of the species working for them to solve them.

An unintelligent person is expected to take and use value in society. An intelligent person is expected to provide and create that value in society. It's pretty easy to see how some intelligent people might feel hard done by with that arrangement.

The really happy intelligent people I've met seem to be the ones who've accepted their intelligence means a life of hardship serving others, whereas the angry intelligent people seem to have an air of entitlement or expectation or feeling that the world owes them something for their genius.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#499

I know a couple of intimidatingly intelligent people who are burdened with serious depression. The one who talks about it thinks it’s because of their intellect, that they can see more than most people; that they have some special insight. I’ve asked them to explain this special insight that other people “don’t get” and my thoughts on it are: It’s not the insight that causes the problem. It’s accepting what they see.…

Or, to put it another way

Have the grace to accept things I cannot change, the power to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

An intelligent person usually knows a lot about a lot. The more things you know about, the more chances you have to make a mistake and think changing something is in your court, when it's really not.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#500

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> It’s really not fixed; you can easily train your mind to be less neurotic and more joyful How?

The main thing is to start understanding your own neurotic patterns. We constantly move between wanting and avoiding things, from small attachments to our thoughts and habits, to strong dislikes. The more you understand this pattern, the more you can let go, and the less your daily feelings will disturb you. As that happens, a natural joy will start to appear. The truth is, 90% of what triggers your emotions today wi…

This was a helpful reminder of a particular world view, thank you.

I think some intelligent people are intelligent because of a need for stimulation: they need more new information, so they learn lots and keep learning and the world throws more learnings at them because they get good at it.

Intelligence becomes an emergent property of dealing/distracting from that craving for more information - a beneficial addiction.

So when someone like that stops doing stuff, or that flow of new information and experiences slows with life, that craving/withdrawal becomes sadness.

One solution is to feed the addiction. Learn more. Do stuff. Don't have any stuff to do? Well other people do! Do their stuff for them!

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