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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by alvah »

poutrathor wrote: post #479
alvah wrote: post #112

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I summarise YT videos with Gemini all the time. You can easily control the length and depth of the summary & get it to focus on particular things etc, before investing time in watching it, only to find out it's promotional, superficial, clickbait, or some combination of all 3.

Does Gemini really does a good job at detecting promotional video ? For example, that one video discussed in this post is one huge promotion for his friend product but it is actually built in a way that clearly appeals to nerdy audience. The video boasts the rigorous testing, provides scientific explanations, nerdy jokes, etc. What Gemini says about that ?

I don't directly ask it if the video is promotional, but you can usually get a sense from the way the summary is written.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by mlsu »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #486
mlsu wrote: post #409

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I want my whole life to be optimized, so that I can consume far more but get nothing out of any of my consumption. Anything that requires art, ingenuity, and human effort can be compressed to a simple bullet point summary. I don't care that Technology Connections is the perfect blend of campy midwestern technical pedantry, substantive detail, great editing, understated humor. It must undergo machine digestion, its hu…

I hope you had fun making one of the most-straw strawmen I've seen all year.

I did. But also, it's instructive. This mindset is everywhere.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by inferiorhuman »

seec wrote: post #477
inferiorhuman wrote: post #287

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I have a previous generation Bosch 500 series dishwasher. For my use case I get the best results with the heavy cycle. However I found that adding loose detergent in there for the "prewash" resulted in soapy residue being left on the dishes if used in conjunction with the heavy cycle (but not with the normal and auto cycles). Alec's dishwasher videos are based on some rather primitive dishwashers. For instance he tal…

Yeah, I think one has to understand the man to really get something useful of what he says. He is kind of a cheap man and much of what he says really applies to low-end devices. Some expensive devices may have similar problems to the cheaper stuff but really if you buy a premium device you won't have many of the problem he talk about. I know this type of person very well. They always have some reductionist approach t…

He's a midwesterner so some of that's to be expected. But AFAIK KitchenAid is one of the higher end Whirlpool brands. I just checked the orange big box store and the price difference between the KitchenAid dishwasher lineup and that of the Bosch 300/500 series comes down to what's currently on sale.

For reference I'm pretty cheap too but try to be pragmatic. My fridge is a $600 Frigidaire (AEG/Electrolux) top freezer unit. The main selling point was that another youtuber (an appliance repair guy by trade) pointed out that it still has a mechanical timer. They get mocked by appliance sales droids but the top freezer design is significantly more efficient than the alternatives and the lack of electronics mean that you're more likely to be able to repair it.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by inferiorhuman »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #485
inferiorhuman wrote: post #291

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It's not the same issue. The vast majority of kitchens in the US have 20 amp circuits (so 2,400 watts peak, 1,920 watts continuous) exclusively. It's a bog standard receptacle (NEMA 5-20R instead of 5-15R) that's backwards compatible with 15 amp plugs. In fact these days most 5-15R receptacles have identical guts to their 20 amp counterparts save for the additional provision for a horizontal blade. The electrical cod…

But they're staying shy of the amp limit on purpose. So designing for 20 amps would be somewhat of a boost but not enough. While doubling voltage would actually fix the problem.

You're going to stay below the circuit breaker rating no matter the voltage. Nobody's going to put a 2,400 watt heater in a dishwasher designed to be used on a circuit that tops out at 2,400 watts because:

a.) I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that most countries will place limits similar to the NEC's 80% rule.

b.) There are other high current draw devices in a dishwasher that will have to run concurrently like the water pumps.

Same with things like electric kettles. You're not going to find 1,800 watt kettles in the US even though they're designed for circuits rated at that. A quick peek at the kettles available in Australia show that most top out at 2,200 watts for the same reasons.

In the context of a dishwasher 240V would only get you more powerful heaters than you could run in the US if the circuits were rated at more than 10 amps. Voltage isn't the issue.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #494
Dylan16807 wrote: post #485

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But they're staying shy of the amp limit on purpose. So designing for 20 amps would be somewhat of a boost but not enough. While doubling voltage would actually fix the problem.

You're going to stay below the circuit breaker rating no matter the voltage. Nobody's going to put a 2,400 watt heater in a dishwasher designed to be used on a circuit that tops out at 2,400 watts because: a.) I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that most countries will place limits similar to the NEC's 80% rule. b.) There are other high current draw devices in a dishwasher that will have to run concurrently li…

You know what, I didn't read the middle comment in this thread closely enough before my first reply. You're right that an Australian circuit doesn't help much, and the voltage on such a circuit is useless.

A UK circuit on the other hand would fix everything. It has the same number of amps (or maybe more), but double the voltage.

The problem isn't purely amps or volts, but in general home circuits tend to have a similar number of amps, and higher power usually goes hand in hand with higher voltage. That's the sense in which voltage fixes the problem. A US appliance staying well within amp limits has a lot less power than a UK appliance staying well within amp limits.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mlsu wrote: post #492
Dylan16807 wrote: post #486

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I hope you had fun making one of the most-straw strawmen I've seen all year.

I did. But also, it's instructive. This mindset is everywhere.

People don't have infinite time. A mindset of never appreciating works on their artistic merits is terrible. But a mindset of appreciating with some works, while for other ones you just want the info please, is a perfectly reasonable way to operate.

Someone that just wants to wash dishes better shouldn't be forced to watch a 40 minute video to learn how. It doesn't mean they want slurry.

Or to put it another way: Imagine you had to watch a video essay to check the weather forecast. It would suck, even if they're good essays. Even moreso if you already have other essays you want to watch.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by seec »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #493
seec wrote: post #477

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Yeah, I think one has to understand the man to really get something useful of what he says. He is kind of a cheap man and much of what he says really applies to low-end devices. Some expensive devices may have similar problems to the cheaper stuff but really if you buy a premium device you won't have many of the problem he talk about. I know this type of person very well. They always have some reductionist approach t…

He's a midwesterner so some of that's to be expected. But AFAIK KitchenAid is one of the higher end Whirlpool brands. I just checked the orange big box store and the price difference between the KitchenAid dishwasher lineup and that of the Bosch 300/500 series comes down to what's currently on sale. For reference I'm pretty cheap too but try to be pragmatic. My fridge is a $600 Frigidaire (AEG/Electrolux) top freezer…

I don't know enough about US states subculture to infer that, it's just the opinion I formed watching him.

I agree that KitechnAid is more on the higher-end side, he even said himself that it's kind of a premium device. It doesn't surprise me, because at some point in your life you want to stop with the frugality shenanigans and just want stuff to work if you can afford them.

To be clear that's not a critic, I tend to be as cheap as can be reasonable as well, it's generally a decent way to proceed, to avoid overpaying for useless over-marketed, over-engineered stuff. I'm just trying to give some context but I think we are in agreement anyway and I do believe anyone who watches him long enough will get the gist of it at some point.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by woodpanel »

koolba wrote: post #228
woodpanel wrote: post #92

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I've micro-optimized my dishwasher setup to have all my 100+ pods and other in-bulk dishwashing-chemicals stored in a compartment between my two dishwashers. I'm also firmly in the camp of having a flat cutlery compartment at the top and not that inefficient, and uncivilized, scarring, basket in bottom section. Until seeing that video I thought I was crazy. I've found my master.

You have two dishwashers in one kitchen?

Yes, i do. The idea was that it keeps the kitchen cleaner, because there's no more gross kitchenware that didn't made it into the dishwasher. Always wanted that. Then saw it in practice at a startup once, and then finally gave it a go.

There will be instances when both are just full and you still end up visible filth, but even then, you at least have to go just once into clear-out mode. It works out great so far. If it didn't... well, I guess I'd need to buy a third one ;-)

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by HumanOstrich »

DANmode wrote: post #432
HumanOstrich wrote: post #159

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Are you a chemist, an investor, a pro-additive experiments? Why?

Why would you assume I am a chemist, an investor, and a pro-additive experiments? (I'm 2/3, but which 2!?)

I'm an educated citizen who likes to have some evidence-based sources to learn about surprising claims people make. Especially when their claims read like pseudoscientific babble that has little or no basis in reality.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by HumanOstrich »

theLiminator wrote: post #430
hammock wrote: post #137

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I wouldn’t use rinse aid. It’s not good for you - damages your gut and may contain dioxane byproducts. I also would avoid detergents with ethoxylated alcohols (AEs). What to look for is any powder or powder-filled pod with a) no AEs and b) does contain amylase and protease , two food-eating enzymes that are often omitted for who knows why. 365 Whole Foods brand pods are my go-to

Do you know of any dishwasher powder (not pod) that's both effective and less likely to cause gut issues?

I don't understand where you are getting "cause gut issues" from. Hopefully not some random person on the Internet spewing nonsense without any sources.
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