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Post by mschild »

_heimdall wrote: post #481
mschild wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of being a Nazi means the sincere believe that the Aryan race is superior to all others and that eradicating them is a sensible goal. Thats not a political view. Its one of racism and finding genocide acceptable. I would sincerely hope that any sensible person would refuse to hire someone like this.

I can't say that I have seen any party documents floating around, but I'll take your word for it here. A person having those views or beliefs still isn't a crime, acting on them is. A person in a workplace can have whatever views they want. Holding a view in no way prevents them from being able to do the work well. Its a different story if they cause a problem at work, but that is viewpoint agnostic - anyone starting…

> I can't say that I have seen any party documents floating around There are quite literally millions of well recorded documents, pictures, movies, personal accounts of affected people available about what Nazism did and does. If you do need a place to start, feel free give the Wikipedia article a read and use the underlying sources to learn more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by egorfine »

thedelanyo wrote: post #490
egorfine wrote: post #219

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> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

What's stopping you from creating a competitive feature?

Nothing. Are going to use it? No, you're probably picking the best out there which is Cloudflare.

And then it's Cloudflare who's gonna decide whether I can read your article or not.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by mschild »

dotancohen wrote: post #480
mschild wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of being a Nazi means the sincere believe that the Aryan race is superior to all others and that eradicating them is a sensible goal. Thats not a political view. Its one of racism and finding genocide acceptable. I would sincerely hope that any sensible person would refuse to hire someone like this.

The Azov brigade are not Aryan.

Not sure how they are involved in this discussion nor do I know their current ideology besides the media reports, but collaborators were/are not uncommon. Abraham Gancwajch, for example, seemed to have no issue with betraying his people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Gancwajch

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by cryptonym »

drtgh wrote: post #449
h33t-l4x0r wrote: post #438

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Hmm, I don't know where you get that takeaway. For me, it's an edge cache, so it speeds up the internet. It sits between user and origin, often many hops closer, and serves content cached according to rules set by customer. When you're a CF customer they send you reports on how much bandwidth origin is saving and for me, historically, it's been most of it. And they do all of it for free most of the time! There's not…

Cache of static content, ie. images, css, js or an static html, the CDNs purpose, to shorten location. At moment you serve dynamic content, you are literally redirecting the request through an intermediary server (from Cloudflare/Homologous to the original server and come back, they are acting as a proxy). This results in a slowdown of the internet. In fact, it's easy to tell when a regularly visited site has changed…

CDN (can't say specifically about Cloudflare but that's true for other) may allow picking faster routes than BGP (BGP tends to optimize cost rather than perf), sometimes better compression than Origin on the path, and fast handshakes at Edge with already hot connections towards Origin.

Edgecomputing can also help accelerating dynamic content.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by _heimdall »

mschild wrote: post #491
_heimdall wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't say that I have seen any party documents floating around, but I'll take your word for it here. A person having those views or beliefs still isn't a crime, acting on them is. A person in a workplace can have whatever views they want. Holding a view in no way prevents them from being able to do the work well. Its a different story if they cause a problem at work, but that is viewpoint agnostic - anyone starting…

> I can't say that I have seen any party documents floating around There are quite literally millions of well recorded documents, pictures, movies, personal accounts of affected people available about what Nazism did and does. If you do need a place to start, feel free give the Wikipedia article a read and use the underlying sources to learn more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

The Nazi Party no longer exists and you're linking to ideology in Germany at the time. We could similarly link to pretty terrible political party views of Republicans or Democrats over our history.

By no means am I defending Nazism here, I would take huge personal issue with any holding those views. That's entirely separate from the topic here though, and I don't agree with discriminating hiring processes based on political views regardless of what they are. If someone can go to work, get the job done, and be a net-positive member of the team I have no reason to act against them.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by _heimdall »

4ggr0 wrote: post #487
lan321 wrote: post #476

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If they can be professional, yeah? I have diverse private interests that don't really get mixed with work. Don't see why my political interests should. I've worked with people I don't personally like. It's more tiring since there's less chit chat but the work gets done all the same.

your private interests probably don't include the wish for your co-workers to be harmed, killed or at least treated like a lesser being.

Is this fictitious Nazi working with a fictitious Jewish person acting on those views or discussing them at work? If not then why should their employer care, and why should we actually support the idea of workplace discrimination?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

egorfine wrote: post #219
stingraycharles wrote: post #68

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To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

> Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply.

Already happening, Well its more more "think about the big corps" than think of the children, for now....

https://torrentfreak.com/cloudflare-starts-blocking-pirate-s...

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by marginalia_nu »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

So far Cloudflare have generally been good guys on the web. They're in an incredibly abusable position, but so far have refrained from doing that.

So far.

The problem with Cloudflare is that institutions change over time. It's a slow process, doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen to almost all of them sooner or later. Building institutions that stay good is one of the big unsolved problems for humanity.

The problem with Cloudflare is what happens the day this good guy MITM:ing half of the web is no longer a good guy. We need to at least have a plan for dealing with this scenario, because otherwise this could get very ugly.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by phrotoma »

mustaphah wrote: post #326
6thbit wrote: post #247

> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.

More like Amazon SES than Sendgrid.

Those two are pretty equivalent in my mind, though I've only done trivial things with them. What's the diff?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by ta1243 »

nextos wrote: post #55
neximo64 wrote: post #27

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And then they'll offer to 'protect' you from AI scrapers for a fee and then bulk negotiate against Google, etc for another fee.

If you use an old web browser, lots of sites are already not usable because Cloudfare's CAPTCHA will deny you entry. New but non-standard niche browsers are also problematic.

And when you use decent protections against the worst bad actors on the internet (dns blackholing, adblocking, cookie dropping/corrupting, vpns) cloudflare again causes problems

Just be a good little consumer.

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