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Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by appreciatorBus »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #322
appreciatorBus wrote: post #204

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Just charge market rates for land. Overstaying (aka overconsumption) is mostly just a predictable consequence of selling something valuable at far below what its value.

Perhaps the overconsumption is on the businesses that have no parking infrastructure for their customers, relying on street parking instead. What if there was no street parking allowed at all? It’s probably too late to implement this idea, but interesting to think about.

Even if every business had a 1000 stall parking garage beneath it, curb parking would still be highly valued because it’s more convenient. And since it would be valued more than zero dollars, if the city charges zero dollars for parking, then we’ll still see over consumption and contention for those spots.

I agree 100% though that not having street parking at all is the way to go. My arguments about market pricing is more of a second best option – if the city is going to continue to provide land for this specific use, then we shouldn’t subsidize it or treat as a special case.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by PpEY4fu85hkQpn »

AngryData wrote: post #475
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #462

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Are you? Because rules are not automatically good. The Nazis had lots of rules too.

lmao this site used to have conversations with serious people and now you're on here encouraging the breaking of laws because the Nazi party existed.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by mulmen »

mc32 wrote: post #433
mulmen wrote: post #132

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In Seattle there are 3-minute load/unload areas in the commercial pockets. This is a solvable problem. It’s not even hard.

This is reasonable and I would welcome this in cities in general. Make it 4 minutes. What I loathe is people double parking while there is a perfect spot half a block up or down. How can people be so absolutely lazy and inconsiderate? It’s baffling.

Why 4 minutes? Why not 5 or 15 or 2? It’s not literally 3 minutes, it’s “3 minutes”. As in it’s subjective and meant as a short term load/unload area.

It’s not designed around your strawman.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by notatoad »

eru wrote: post #409
notatoad wrote: post #342

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there is no public good afforded by violating parking restrictions. the public good comes from enforcing them, so that parking spaces turn over quickly and remain as available as possible. circumvention of the rules for a priveleged few (like those who know how to surveil the enforcement officers) is actual corruption. this service doesn't expose corruption, it enables it.

I have some sympathies for your argument, but I suspect you are trying to prove too much: your argument could more or less justify an infinitely large fee for parking violations (or even imprisonment). Most people seem happier with small, finite amounts for these things? As a second point, I don't think parking and public goods have anything in common. Parking is _not_ a public good, and shouldn't be treated as such.…

from context, it should be clear that we're talking about "good" meaning benefit, not good meaning product.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by rahimnathwani »

adolph wrote: post #453
whakim wrote: post #255

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No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage. Do we also need curbs and signage near every fire hydrant? How about every driveway? Can drivers double-park anywhere they want? Should they yield to pedestrians in crosswalks? Etc. etc.

Reviewing the thread, the context is newly enforcing something that might not be illegal in all jurisdictions. Citing different contexts where signage is not always used doesn't change the fact that the discussion focuses on change in common practice in a specific context. In fact, I observe plenty of signage for fire hydrants and driveways in places where people commonly make parking errors. The question still stand…

In San Francisco, they publicized the new laws in two ways:

1. Media campaigns (posters, PR etc.).

2. A multi-month period last year during which they issues 'warning' tickets (with nothing for the driver to pay).

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by more_corn »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #324

I gotta say, it's incredibly inconsiderate and thoughtless to publish the real time location of a bunch of public safety officers in an individually identifiable way. I understand the sentiment, and I appreciate the hackery... but you put these people at risk today. You need to think much more carefully about how you approach things like this in the future.

“Public safety” they write tickets to generate revenue. Nothing they do benefits public safety.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by more_corn »

jjcob wrote: post #388
hopelite wrote: post #363

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How do you think these public officials with massive paychecks and life long massive pensions operate; they drive around in the most noticeable little vehicles that you can spot from a mile away. If you needed to track them for some reason you would just follow them, and most likely people in the neighborhood probably already know their routes anyways. It seems you are fixated on something you just can’t let go, as i…

If you park your car on a bus stop, you deserve that fine. I wish my city fine like this.

Parking in an implicit crosswalk. (Go look it up, I had to). Parking for 3:14 in a 3:00 while picnicking in the park. Parking in church service overflow.

All things I’ve been ticketed for or towed for in SF. Those mfuckers just out to make money. They literally write more tickets when sfmta has a budget shortfall. It’s not about public order it’s about revenue.

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