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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by berkanunal » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 6:20 PM UTC

throwaway106382 wrote: post #412

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

The hype around Rails is just insane. It's not just a few libs (anymore), so instead you have to download hundreds of gems (in the game of 'good dev ex') that ships with activsupport, and ORM, ERB and even pushes an app architecture on you but you still end up using ruby. If it was just a few things like sinatra and sequel I'd (almost) get it. If it was a fork of another project like Merb I'd (almost get it) but this…

Archlinux:

> Arch Linux is intentionally minimal, and is meant to be configured by the user during installation so they may add only what they require.

They should have been like DHH, opinonated, convention over configuration and ship with minecraft pre installed

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by dpranke » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 6:24 PM UTC

ammar2 wrote: post #137

jorvi wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

> Microsoft would fork it within hours I haven't trudged through Chromium's commit statistics but has Microsoft been upstreaming many contributions? I'm skeptical that they are ready to take on the full brunt of Chromium maintenance on a whim, it would take a decent while to build up the teams and expertise for it.

Yes, Microsoft actively contributes to Chromium.

Microsoft lands many changes in Chromium first before they show up in Edge (logistically it's easier to do things this way for merging reasons), but they do also upstream changes to Chromium that show up in Edge first.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by jojomodding » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 6:44 PM UTC

I wish they would fund Mozilla (or Firefox) instead of creating yet another browser. Clawing Firefox out of the hole that Mozilla and its dependency on Google have dug for it would be a true service to humanity. Replacing it by yet another browser only causes churn and standard proliferation.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by nickjj » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 7:22 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #487

nickjj wrote: post #476

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I don't think distributions or OS vendors focus on that because imagine the outrage if you installed Windows and it pre-installed Zoom, Spotify and 80 other apps for you out of the box. I think it's popular because DHH turned dotfiles into a product and it's being marketed as a distro. Arch + (Hyprland, Waybar, Walker and Mako) are all really popular and standlone tools that make up a reasonable looking desktop envir…

I think this is a bit reductive. I came from using basically the same configuration, configured piecemeal, and migrated to Omarchy because I really enjoy the cohesiveness of the experience. The bundled software aspect is also kinda exaggerated. It almost entirely consists of app launchers for a few chrome-based PWAs. There's like no software to speak off, it's just a .desktop-file you can remove if you don't want it…

It's more than the PWAs.

There's:

https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy/blob/master/install/omar...

There's around 180 packages being installed, most of which are considered base packages.

1password and tons upon tons of other apps and tools.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pmdr » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 9:42 PM UTC

jwhiles wrote: post #459

pmdr wrote: post #187

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> Not someone you publicly associate your organisation with him unless you want to send a certain message. ... that you like Linux, Rails and despise Apple?

Your interpretation of my comment, though I guess intended as a joke, can only really mean two things: 1. You are unaware of DHH’s more recent favoured topics 2. You don’t think there is a problem with DHH’s opinions Either is fine, I don’t really care. The issue for me is that Cloudflare’s PR team obviously are aware what DHH writes about. And they’re sponsoring his project anyway. Cloudflare knows that this is repe…

I've always met his non-tech posts with an eye-roll after at most skimming through them.

> 1. You are unaware of DHH’s more recent favoured topics

No, apparently I wasn't fully updated. Looks likes he's turned it up a notch or two.

> 2. You don’t think there is a problem with DHH’s opinions

Tech-related ones I agree with. Political ones, I mostly don't. Now should he be censored or 'canceled' for his opinions? I don't think so. Criticized? Absolutely.

His once wrote on his blog that politics should stay out of tech. I think he's beginning to break away from that, and even though he's not explicitly tying his views to his products as far as I can see, he risks undoing all the good work.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by SahAssar » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 10:24 PM UTC

M95D wrote: post #474

But why would anyone use Omarchy (based on Arch) and not use Gentoo directly? Not a separate project based on Gentoo, but a Gentoo Reference System [1]? Gentoo already has all dev tools installed - they're an indispensable part of the package manager. [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng_GRS

Why bring up Gentoo at all?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by dcreater » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 11:06 PM UTC

didibus wrote: post #435

dcreater wrote: post #428

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> A PBC legally takes a triple mandate where are you getting this? PBC has no actual legal aspect to it at all - its all self reporting and self adherence. PBC is more marketing/signalling than legal requirements

I was taking it from here: https://delcode.delaware.gov/title8/c001/sc15/ But IANAL. I am just learning about this, so I'm curious, if you know more than I do, please share.

From my interpretation (which I think would match that of an attorney at the PBC):

1) Legally Enforceable: periodic self reporting of public benefit related activities 2) Not legally enforceable: the detailed scope and actual delivery/implementation of said benefits. Third party auditing

i.e. if you try going and suing OpenAI, Anthropic etc. on their stated public benefit contradicting the severe impact datacenters are having to water/electricity in some areas, im quite certain that you would lose.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by john01dav » Wed, Sep 24, 2025, 2:56 AM UTC

krmboya wrote: post #478

john01dav wrote: post #473

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It seems irrational to me to switch to chrome (and where else could you switch to?) over data sale concerns. A more rational approach could be a Firefox fork that preserves privacy.

Privacy is a big deal for many, especially if you grew up before the age of telemetry everywhere. For now, a privacy preserving chromium fork will do, until hopefully the Ladybird project is mature enough to provide alternatives

Why a chromium fork over a Firefox fork? Both preserve privacy

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by rs186 » Wed, Sep 24, 2025, 4:22 AM UTC

lazylion2 wrote: post #251

rs186 wrote: post #37

The post does not mention how much money they are giving. Maybe I am a pessimist, but unless the number is in tens of millions or hundreds of millions (very unlikely), I don't think it helps the development of an independent browser very much. Google probably has poured over billions of dollars into Chrome development over the years, and if you look at what Chrome supports, it's massive. I seriously doubt anybody els…

$100k https://x.com/ladybirdbrowser/status/1970160706650595592

So that's like... almost nothing compared to what's needed for browser development.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by slimebot80 » Wed, Sep 24, 2025, 6:20 AM UTC

DHH seems to be driven by bitterness at Apple charging for inclusion in their walled garden. Fair enough, his choice. Interesting he includes his paid email service bundled in Omarchy.