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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by dfadsadsf »

llm_nerd wrote: post #336
rich_sasha wrote: post #169

UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…

> But a lot of skilled labour left anyway The UK has had a "brain drain", but it's as much UK citizens as migrants. Economic migrants migrate. > But also highly paid people have spouses, children, parents and other relatives. Once you are told you barely cleared (very high) criteria, you can be pretty sure your retired parents won't, if ever you need them to move in with you. Skilled immigration is sold in almost all…

US allows unlimited chain migration for parents with short waiting period. Everyone brings their parents/siblings and put them on Medicaid/Obamacare, Section 8, etc right away. Technically sponsor is supposed to cover those benefits (and signs paper about that) but practically gov never tried to recover benefits (literally never).

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by TimorousBestie »

timr wrote: post #439
JuniperMesos wrote: post #373

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People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

Few people actually know what "authoritarian" means, and are mostly just repeating things they've heard and intend to mean as "leaders doing things I don't personally like." A strict definition of "authoritarian" [1] doesn't fit the current US administration at all in many ways, since they've focused their attention on tearing down government, not building it up. In some ways they demand stricter enforcement of (pre-…

Your definition says nothing about regulation or deregulation, so I wonder why you’re trying to pin others to it. One doesn’t need laws (or a bureaucracy, for that matter) to “enforce strict obedience to authority.”

If you’re hunting for a contradiction this ain’t it.

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Post by zem »

nomel wrote: post #448
roncesvalles wrote: post #299

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>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back before the deadline, or stay where you are until further notice.

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the whole US visa morass is complicated and volatile enough that a lot of large companies have dedicated teams who help advise their employees on visa issues and how to best navigate them. this "guidance" is basically saying "this is our lawyers' best guess as to how to stay safe over the next few weeks"

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Post by hermitcrab »

jl6 wrote: post #463
arrowsmith wrote: post #446

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And yet, insanely, the Tories still get called "anti-immigration". They were the most pro-immigration government in British history, by far.

Another explanation is that they were 100% anti-immigration but also 200% incompetent at implementing their own goals.

Rather than being honest with people about the pros (of which there are many) and cons (of which there are some) of migration, the conservative government increased migration while telling people they were reducing it. That is malice, rather than incompetence. And now, here we are, facing the very really real possibility of loathsome grifter Farage as Prime Minister.

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Post by marcosdumay »

roncesvalles wrote: post #299
HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back before the deadline, or stay where you are until further notice.

"Further notice" can easily be a firing notice.

I understand your position, but it's a bit of a privileged one. Not everybody will have that option.

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Post by yieldcrv »

HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

The guidance has changed already. Existing holders don't need to do that

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Post by toephu2 »

tom89999 wrote: post #24

Get your relatives and family out of this shithole and start a new life somewhere else. Why paying taxes for fat crooks? Why working your ass off for major companiel that dont pay taxes? I more and more understand people leaving their home country.

Yeah, go work in Asia for 30k/year or Europe for 100k/year.

Or goto Canada and pay even more than the U.S. in taxes and take-home much less.

Who wants these 500k/year salaries in the U.S. anyway?

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Post by arrowsmith »

yibg wrote: post #471
arrowsmith wrote: post #452

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Hey, quick question: who founded America?

Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. Missionaries spreading the word of god, people escaping persecution of various sorts. Are those the people Europe and the US are look to immigrate?

Did they bring their parents with them?

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Post by yibg »

timr wrote: post #337
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #334

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> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity How is this adequately explained by stupidity? Sincerely, I truly cannot imagine anyone in the US government is stupid enough to think "15 hours is enough time". This is like, 3rd grade levels of thought.

You're confusing facts with the opinions of others. Read the EO. There's literally nothing in the EO stating that pre-existing visa holders are subject to the new rules. Someone else is interpreting the EO , and you're assuming that their opinion is the correct interpretation.

The language of the EO isn't clear, that's the point. Unless the administration comes out with clarification and guidance on what and who is in scope, then one can only assume either maliciousness or incompetence.
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