I thought 1.5 B is the penalty for one torrent, not for a couple million torrents. At least if you're a regular citizen.
$150,000 statutory damages for willful infringement.
So they only paid for 10k books?
Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
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Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#492To be very clear on this point - this is not related to model training. It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, but the pirating of the books is the issue at hand here, and is what Anthropic “whoopsied” into in acquiring the training data. Buying used copies of books, scanning them, and training on it is fine. Rainbows End was prescient in many ways.
Nevertheless, a crime is a crime. I'm so over this shift in America's business model. Original Silicon Valley model, and generally the engine of American innovation/growth/wealth equality for 200 years: Come up with a cool technology, build it in your garage, get people to fund it and sell it because it's a better mousetrap. New model: Still come up with a cool idea, still get it funded and sold, but the idea involve…
> *and generally the engine of American innovation/growth/wealth equality for 200 years: Come up with a cool technology, build it in your garage, get people to fund it and sell it because it's a better mousetrap.”
So exactly when was there “wealth equality” in the US? Are you glossing over that whole segregation, redlining, era of the US?
And America was built on slavery and genocide.
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
This lawsuit also makes sure that only parties that can train an AI with good enough training material are now - Google - Anthropic - Any Chinese company who do not care about copyright laws What is the cost of buying and scanning books? Copyright law needs to be fixed and its ridiculous hundred years tenure chopped away.
Training a Model on 100+ years old literature only could be an interesting experience though.
’Twould wax yet more marvellous to ye beholders.
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#494I wrote a book, can I get my 1 dollar cheque?
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
> which in my opionion is exactly what is wrong with practices like these. What's actually wrong with this? They paid $1.5B for a bunch of pirated books. Seems like a fair price to me, but what do I know. The settlement should reflect society's belief of the cost or deterrent, I'm not sure which (maybe both). This might be controversial, but I think a free society needs to let people break the rules if they are willi…
Should I be allowed to walk into the Louvre, steal the Mona Lisa, then pay $10.000 once caught? Should I be allowed to do this if I am employed by Stealing The Mona Lisa, LLC? > They paid $1.5B for a bunch of pirated books. They didn't pay, they settled . And considering flesh-and-blood people get sued for tens of thousands per download when there isn't a profit motive, that's a bargain. > The settlement should refle…
Totally agreeing with you. One of the cause can be that if you are rich laws don’t apply to you (Google, Apple, Facebook, etc), and the other thing is that US judges in general will not block your business if it allows to create jobs or to generate revenue and activity from foreign clients (buying pushes USD price upward and strengthens political, financial, technological and intelligence).
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#496Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
Scanning (copying) is¹ not allowed. Reading is. What is in a library, you can freely read. Find the most appropriate way. You do not need to have bought the book. ¹(Edit: or /may/ not be allowed, see posts below.)
Scanning is, under the right circumstances, allowed in the US, at least per the Second Circuit appeals court (Connecticut, New York, Vermont): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Googl... .
They (OpenAI and Anthropic) operate their platform and distributes these copyrighted works outside, where these foreign laws applies
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#498Earlier quoted context omitted.
i dont know that its such a great thing in the end. Uber/Lyft is 50-100% more expensive now than taxis were before. Theyre entrenched in different ways.
Did you remember to factor in well over 30% inflation in America in the past 5 years plus Uber Lyft initially losing money on rides to capture market share before they eventually had to actually breakeven?
> plus Uber Lyft initially losing money on rides to capture market share before they eventually had to actually breakeven?
That's typically considered to be somewhere between assholish and straight up illegal in most civilized economies.
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#499I'm wondering, if they could purchase all the books that had been in the pirate stash, in physical or DRM-free ebook form, could they have been out of trouble? Use the stash because it's already pre-digitized and accessible, give money to publishers.
It would take time, sure, to compile the lists and make bulk orders, but wouldn't it be cheaper in the end than the settlement?
Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors
#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
This lawsuit also makes sure that only parties that can train an AI with good enough training material are now - Google - Anthropic - Any Chinese company who do not care about copyright laws What is the cost of buying and scanning books? Copyright law needs to be fixed and its ridiculous hundred years tenure chopped away.
From TFA > Anthropic also agreed to delete the pirated works it downloaded and stored. Also > As part of the settlement, Anthropic said that it did not use any pirated works to build A.I. technologies that were publicly released.
Reminds me when Facebook said to EU that they did not have the technology to merge FB and Whatsapp accounts when they bought Whatapp.