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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by krzyk »

encom wrote: post #102
masklinn wrote: post #73

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> The EU only mandates CCS2 in _charging points_ Right but that’s the most important one. If you have a leaf it means you know you need an adapter always , so while it’s a bit of a hassle to waste space on that there’s no question whether you’ll get a compatible charging plug.

Euro Leaf owner here. No CCS is indeed tiresome, but not a deal breaker. Chademo is still widely available - I haven't bothered buying an adapter.

It depends on your location.

In my country chademo is rarely available, I know only two networks that provide it (and they are smaller ones).

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by krzyk »

magicalhippo wrote: post #143
masklinn wrote: post #25

> Lack of standards: For 'L3' DC Fast Charging, the Leaf has a CHAdeMO port. Teslas and many newer EVs have NACS. Then there's CCS1 and CCS2. And charging stations are run by multiple vendors with multiple apps and payment methods. It's not like gas stations, like with Shell, BP, Buckee's, etc. where you just drive up, stick the gas nozzle in your tank, and squeeze. Afaik in Europe, CCS2 is the standard (and mandator…

> And that the rental company (AVIS) does not provide an AC adapter Here in Norway, new EVs are no longer allowed to be sold with AC adapters, due to the potential fire hazard. At least that's the reason I got when I purchased my current EV. Perhaps a EU thing, wouldn't surprise me.

It is a Norway thing, I read it some time ago that they forbid chargin using AC adapters.

Tesla on the other hand doesn't include AC adapter in newly sold cars (since about a year).

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by apelapan »

rsolva wrote: post #481
danielheath wrote: post #407

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When you use a charging station, you pay for the power you consume, but not for "parking". This usually means you can't stay for a particularly long time.

Correct, but the time you can stay is surprisingly generous in Oslo, between 3 and 24 hours, depending on location. I used to dread driving to Oslo, but after I discovered that the municipality had repurposed an old bunker to fit hundreads of chargers/parking spost dead in the middle of town, I visit with gleeful joy :P Here is a map of all charging points provided by the municipality around Oslo: https://experience.…

I see on that map, that on my last visit to Oslo I could have parked 20m from my hotel entrance for €10 over night, instead of parking in the garage 50m further away for €120. Didn't really need to charge, so just went for a normal spot.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by tossandthrow »

anovikov wrote: post #490
rsolva wrote: post #312

Small, cheap electric cars are the best! Fun to drive, easy to maintain. I own an VW eUP 2015 model which costed me €4000 used. I do not know if they where for sale outside of Norway (I only see them here!), but it is the perfect car for 95% of our mobility needs. I drive it to work every day (where I can charge it for free). I drive it to Oslo and can park/charge almost anywhere around town for really cheap, about €…

Funny! Here in Cyprus in spite of totally car-centric culture, parking is free almost everywhere or at the very worst, 4 EUR per DAY in a few spots, but even there it's usually possible to find a spot for free. Sometimes i wonder how our nation works. Low taxes, effectively no poverty among locals (and a foreigner can only be poor if they are an illegal immigrant, otherwise they lose their rights of residence and kic…

It is called the tax haven premium. Just like Luxemburg or caymen island also works well as nations.

I don't think it is something to be proud of though, as the riches are not earned.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by quitit »

dboreham wrote: post #461
quitit wrote: post #283

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High speed rail is definitely not a requirement. Ordinary trains are still faster than driving. What the USA lacks is a robust network. The spread of rail is too thin to be useful for everyday use.

Trains in the western US are not faster than driving because there is heavy freight rail traffic. Passenger trains (if they existed) would get stuck behind slow freight trains.

That’s why more rail needs to be built. I.e a robust network - I find I’m repeating myself.

Side lanes are also a feature of these networks, and exist not just to overtake freight or behind schedule trains, but also enable different levels of service, such as express trains versus “all stops” style services.

The optics of this thread are telling.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by globular-toast »

> No gasoline-powered car (outside of supercars, maybe? Never drove one of those) could match the feel of pressing the throttle on an electric.

Probably need to be careful with this because flooring it is addictive and you'll waste a lot of energy doing it.

For me the feeling of an electric car gave me a strange feeling. I just felt like I was in an electric wheelchair. It really hammered home the ridiculousness of able-bodied people travelling around town in these huge electric wheelchairs. I don't hold much hope for the future but I'd love to be able to live in a town without these things around.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by philjohn »

rsolva wrote: post #312

Small, cheap electric cars are the best! Fun to drive, easy to maintain. I own an VW eUP 2015 model which costed me €4000 used. I do not know if they where for sale outside of Norway (I only see them here!), but it is the perfect car for 95% of our mobility needs. I drive it to work every day (where I can charge it for free). I drive it to Oslo and can park/charge almost anywhere around town for really cheap, about €…

I got my son a 2022 e-UP! as his first car when he passed his test - it's a RIDICULOUSLY fun car to drive, feels much faster than it is and is very direct handling wise.

It's a fantastic city car, and he's even done some longer trips in it.

I've also got an EV6 AWD which is obviously more powerful, and bigger, but nowhere near as fun to drive.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by philjohn »

jopsen wrote: post #419
rsolva wrote: post #365

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It really depends on just how cold it is outside and how much (or little) heat you are comfortable with inside. For mild winter weather (+5 to -5°C) and 18°C in the cabin, the range drops to around 80km or so. On a sunny summer day, I can easily get about 130km on Norwegian country roads, probably more. When driving to the Netherlands in the months between March and October, the consumption has been around 8.3kW/100k…

Most EV buyers would probably stay far away from cars with 80-130km range. Going 900km with that is pretty bold. I wouldn't want to.. But driving around town, this is perfect.

The e-UP is most definitely a "city" car - which for most european commuters is more than enough range-wise.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by dash2 »

tossandthrow wrote: post #494
anovikov wrote: post #490

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Funny! Here in Cyprus in spite of totally car-centric culture, parking is free almost everywhere or at the very worst, 4 EUR per DAY in a few spots, but even there it's usually possible to find a spot for free. Sometimes i wonder how our nation works. Low taxes, effectively no poverty among locals (and a foreigner can only be poor if they are an illegal immigrant, otherwise they lose their rights of residence and kic…

It is called the tax haven premium. Just like Luxemburg or caymen island also works well as nations. I don't think it is something to be proud of though, as the riches are not earned.

If you can offer companies a lower tax than other jurisdictions with the same level of service, why isn't it earned?

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by b112 »

motorest wrote: post #473
ww520 wrote: post #414

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I paid over $50 USD for parking a bit over two hours in Cambridge Massachusetts when visiting MIT. Parking in the Boston area is atrocious.

> I paid over $50 USD for parking a bit over two hours in Cambridge Massachusetts when visiting MIT. Parking in the Boston area is atrocious. The two are related. The whole point of charging for parking is to leverage scarcity to convince people to not make the problem worse and just find alternatives to driving to the doorstop that work well for them.

No, the pojnt of charging for parking, is for a company somewhere to make a fat, juicy profit. The company would prefer more people drive, and therefore, need to park.
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