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Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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Sprinting and HIIT helps with ADHD like drugs and has healthy side effects

"I tell people that going for a run is like taking a little bit of Prozac and a little bit of Ritalin because, like the drugs, exercise elevates these neurotransmitters."

https://www.additudemag.com/exercise-learning-adhd-brain/amp...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9017792/

Give it a try.

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I've seen so much strongly relatable ADHD content over my life, and had so many close friends get diagnosed, that I've often wondered if I'm in the population, or if it's pathologizing the regular experience of modern humans. I haven't had mental healthcare, so I don't have much personal insight, but I found this interview with Trevor Noah very interesting. It's the first time I've heard someone who identified with A…

I listened to that episode when it first came out, and was quite surprised that first of all it wasn't just another "how adhd is actually a superpower" nonsense click farm thing, which seem to be pervasive, but secondly how clear it was that if Trevor didn't find the success he did, he'd very clearly match the normal criteria for needing stimulants because he'd probably be hampered in every day life due to having it.

Additionally, I had the opposite impression that you did, and as an early 30s man it nearly made me tear up thinking about how much the real struggles described by both of them resonated with me.

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It's worked for me for 20 years

You never developed a tolerance?

Yes I did. It doesn't hit like it did when I first took it, but that decline quickly leveled off. I think it also helps that I don't take it on the weekends.

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The irony about getting treatment for ADHD is that medical providers make it very hard to get the proper medication and treatment. People with ADHD are horrible at following through and handle rejection poorly. So the worse the ADHD is, the less likely somebody will be able to actually get treatment for it. A lot of people suffer because doctors fear losing their license like so many did during the pain pill debacle.…

This doesn't even account for the perma-drama due to the artificial shortage generated by the DEA. Getting your prescription filled, if you manage to wrangle one, often requires hours of calling around which pharmacy can fill said prescription. And you get to do that every months. And you can't get a prescription earlier, you have to wait a full month. So, essentially: Right when you're forced off your medication tha…

You maybe know this already, but there are a couple sites that will handle the calling around for you. It is kind of ridiculous I spend more on the site than on the actual meds, but I just don't see another way for now.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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You’re right that there isn’t a _single_ “scientific” or purely objective test for ADHD. The consensus statements on ADHD make this explicit: diagnosis is clinical, not biomarker-based [1][2], even though biomarker tests are being developed and this is a promising area of research. That said, there are structured and semi-objective tools that add quantifiable data to the process, even if they can’t stand alone; and,…

1. Standardized is absolutely meaningless here. We can develop any set of symptoms, develop a standardized questionnaire, and have millions of people who meet it. 2. CPT measures attention/focus in an entirely made up lab scenario. Attention and focus are not singular numbers, and are deeply tied to the actual emotions, risks, rewards present in a situation, and cannot be so easily measured. I can see the value of a…

You've raised some common and valid criticisms of how ADHD is diagnosed.

1. On standardized scales being "meaningless": The term "standardized" here doesn't just mean a consistent set of questions. It means the scoring is normed against a large, representative population. So when a parent says their child "often" loses things, the scale helps a clinician determine if that "often" is statistically significant compared to other children of the same age and gender. It's a tool to quantify subjective reports. You're right that any set of symptoms can be standardized, but these scales are specifically designed to measure the frequency and severity of behaviors outlined in the DSM/ICD criteria. They aren't a standalone test, but one data point in a larger clinical picture. Most psychiatric conditions rely on this kind of structured self-reporting. The people working in this field work very hard to apply statistics properly when designing and running these tests; it's so far from random it's not even funny.

2. On CPTs: I agree that a CPT is an artificial lab scenario. That's a well-known limitation called a lack of "ecological validity." No one claims it perfectly replicates real-world focus. Consensus statements are clear that CPTs are insufficient for diagnosis on their own. Their value isn't in definitively saying "you have ADHD," but in providing an objective measure of things like attention lapses and impulse control that can supplement the subjective reports. If someone's self-report suggests severe inattention but they score perfectly on a CPT, that's a data point a clinician needs to investigate further. It can help in the process of differential diagnosis. The studies you linked highlight its limitations, which is consistent with the consensus view that it's a supplementary, not a primary, tool.

3. On multi-informant reports: You say these are "as subjective as you can get," which is true, they are subjective. The entire point is to gather subjective reports from multiple contexts to see if a pattern emerges. A core criterion for ADHD is that the symptoms cause impairment in two or more settings (e.g., home and school/work). If a child is only described as hyperactive and inattentive in a boring classroom but is a focused and motivated musician at home, a good clinician would question an ADHD diagnosis and look for other factors. The goal is to see if the problem is with the person's underlying regulation skills across environments, not just their "fit" in a single, artificial system.

4. On the DSM and clinical interviews: The word "often" is intentionally not given a hard number because it's relative to a person's developmental stage. "Often" losing homework is different for a 7-year-old than for a 30-year-old. This is where clinical judgment, guided by the DSM criteria, comes in. As for the symptom overlap, you're describing a feature of many polythetic diagnostic systems, not a flaw unique to ADHD. It recognizes that the disorder can manifest differently in different people. The clinician's job isn't just to count symptoms, but to assess the entire pattern, determine the level of impairment, and critically, rule out other potential causes for those symptoms (anxiety, depression, trauma, etc.). The diagnosis is a synthesis of all this information. Again, standardized test scoring DOES have the effect of giving a "definition" to the term "Often", because when thousands of forms are filled in, individuals' different definitions of the term converge in a statistically significant way onto a concept that is meaningfully comparative.

5. Finally, your historical point is interesting. Descriptions of ADHD-like symptoms date back centuries, long before the DSM. Sir Alexander Crichton wrote about "the incapacity of attending" in 1798. The diagnosis wasn't just invented out of thin air in the 20th century. It's a modern label for a pattern of behavior that has been observed for a very long time. The research and technology we have today are being used to better understand its neurobiological underpinnings, not to retroactively justify a "socially agreed upon disorder".

I'm really curious what the next century of study will do to illuminate this condition. I suspect we will have significantly greater understanding of the role of genetics and perhaps, one day, a blood test will diagnose ADHD.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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Not doubting you but… how? Adderall leaves your system in like 4 hours. The half life is crazy short and it’s extremely noticeable when it happens. I don’t understand how someone would fail to sleep for 3 days, or even hyper focus for 12 hours, when the drug is going to be completely gone from their system and not affecting them a fraction of the time into that period. Are you sure it wasn’t something else or they di…

Extended release. Those fucking things would keep me up for 3 days. If I take a the same dose of instant release, it'll be worn off at the end of the day and I'll sleep like a log. They say it wears off in 4 hours, but a single dose keeps working all day for me. Depends on how you metabolize it.

I got some 10mg Dexedrine Spansule's when I usually take normal 5mg's and I didn't sleep until 4am :(

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

#497

Not surprised. ADHD medications save lives, including the lives of others when it comes to things like preventing car accidents. I could even see it being required for driving the way corrective lenses can be.

And yet it was easier for me to get a driving license being unmedicated than it would be medicated. In either case I'd need to pay a bullshit fee for a psychologist to glance at me and rubber stamp a form, and take an extra exam which is completely trivial to pass. In the case of being medicated I'd need to additionally get my GP to sign off on it as ADHD meds have the infamous "yellow sticker" telling you to not operate heavy machinery. If I ever did get in an accident on medication the insurance companies would make a meal out of it anyway, despite it being signed off.

The whole process is a complete and total scam that's not making anything or anyone any safer.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

#498
post #229

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Same as me. I think about it every day now. I’m 44 and It explains a lot of my behaviours. I found the adhd chatter podcast very helpful https://youtube.com/@adhd_chatter_podcast?si=Ne0isYQ2QCgIeqY...

It's nothing personal but I clicked your link enthusiastically and was greeted with nothing but clickbait thumbnails. " THIS COMMON MEDICATION IS DANGEROUS FOR ADHD WOMEN!" & " THIS STRANGE HABIT IN PREGNANCY INCREASES THE RISK OF ADHD!" are just two examples. I'm sure it's a good podcast but I find this practice distasteful at best and absolutely abhorrent when you're directly targeting mental health patients with p…

Yea that is very annoying. It's copying the Diary of a CEO format, sensationalizing the topic.

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> I've heard it argued that ADHD diagnoses should come with a social worker. I know a few people with crippling ADHD that have managed to hire a "life coach" of sorts to help. Takes a bit of screening to find somebody that knows ADHD and how to help with it versus the more generic/useless skills you probably first thought of when you read 'life coach' :). > Every time I realize it's Friday and I'm gonna run out of me…

Can you share a link to that pill dispenser that pushes alerts to your phone please?

https://www.amazon.com/Organizer-Bluetooth-Portable-Medicine...

https://www.amazon.com/EziMedPil-Bluetooth-Dispenser-Medicat...

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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ADHD isn't a personality quirk and also, it is fundamentally a disorder of regulation not attention. The education system (for all its drawbacks and inflexibility) works for most because they're able to regulate the urge to get up and climb random shit when they can't figure out how to start writing the answer to Q1 on the worksheet.. I also think its cope to take a disorder where a specific part of the brain tasked…

Nowhere did I claim ADHD was a personality quirk. Nowhere did I claim ADHD wasn't real. I'm not disputing the neurodevelopmental pathophysiology of ADHD. I'm questioning the labels society applies to people with such a disorder. I claimed it's not the "attention deficit" people think it is. People with ADHD are clearly able focus when the subject is interesting enough to them. That's a huge contradiction. The truth i…

> People with ADHD are clearly able focus when the subject is interesting enough to them

"interesting enough" is not a sufficient condition. You may be super interested, very motivated, and yet completely unable to start. That is one of the most frustrating parts of ADHD to me. When and how hyperfocus kicks in seems to be mostly outside of your control.

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