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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hinkley »

jacquesm wrote: post #372
pjmlp wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a new wind after Satya took over, but apparently it is slowly gone now.

To me it never made a difference. There was a concerted effort to put lipstick on the pig but it was still a pig.

More like put lipstick on the scorpion.

It is in their nature. It takes a lot of work to excise bad practices from an organization and removing the guilty parties is only step one. Everything continues to work the way the bad actors wanted them to work for a long, long time.

Gates was bad. Balmer was worse. He was still in charge 11 years ago, in a company he helped build 40 years ago. Their personalities are the bones of that organization.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by mdaniel »

dusanh wrote: post #247
mdaniel wrote: post #47

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In my experience, the "really good" is that it comes batteries included: - completely docker based CI/CD which makes reasoning about what it's going to do easier than "read through some minified .js from some rando" - they do have composable CI/CD akin to the GitHub Actions marketplace, but I haven't used it as much in anger to speak to how valuable it is versus "competitive checkbox feature" - built-in Terraform Sta…

I can map most of the list but I can't recall what would be the "review environment setup" What did you mean by that?

Pedantically I think GLCI treats every environment the same, but by review environments I meant "disposable copies of the app such that one could interact with it during merge request review" e.g. https://mr-8675.example.com corresponding to /example/-/merge_request/8675 that would be provisioned when the MR was opened and torn down when the MR was merged or closed

https://docs.gitlab.com/ci/yaml/#environment> plus https://docs.gitlab.com/ci/yaml/#dynamic-environments> et al

I believe it aligns with this behavior in GitHub: https://docs.github.com/en/actions/how-tos/deploy/configure-...> with the distinction that it appears from the GH docs that they think of that as "needs administrative approval" whereas GLCI thinks of it as "if the pipeline has permissions to run provisioning, off to the races, because names are free"

GitLab introduced the "deployment tier" I think as a means of communication to other users about the importance of the environment, but control over what credentials were made available to CI/CD was always controlled via https://docs.gitlab.com/ci/environments/#limit-the-environme...> which partially explains why the only reason to involve a repository administrator would be to install or update a secret needed to deploy successfully

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it the spirit of "they really, really drink their own champagne," one can see the environments for GitLab itself https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/environments

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hinkley »

pferde wrote: post #357
pjmlp wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a new wind after Satya took over, but apparently it is slowly gone now.

That was a mask the corporation put on in a bid to lure in the younger crowd who doesn't remember all the underhanded stuff Microsoft did in the past. But they haven't really changed at all.

The thing that surprises me the most about Satya is how he managed to survive in MS so long if he really is different from the previous administration.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rikafurude21 »

tw04 wrote: post #482
rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

> They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. As did Ubuntu. >I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. Huh? The same google caught tracking your every move even if you opted out? The Google that seems to serve ads based on your conversations if anyone in the room has an Android phone? The Google that actively tries to kill any and all ad blockers? They…

Windows normalized having ads in the OS.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hbn »

827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

Do I have any fellow Duolingo users here?

I know they've gotten shit for years, it's not gonna make you fluent, etc etc

But I've defended them because it's at the very least a good starting point and something to keep you consistent every day. As long as you're trying to be mindful about learning, I've found it to be a great tool to assist in improving my Spanish.

That is until a month or 2 ago where they completely overhauled their curriculum with AI slop. The stories are bland at best and confusing at first, the questions are brain-dead simple, it'll have sentences and questions that I've confirmed with native speakers are confusing/incorrect, it's riddled with mistakes, and somehow they even broke the TTS so it'll pronounce things wrong. One of the character voices consistently can't say a couple of letters, like it pronounces all the 'd's with 'v's or something. I can't believe they actually shipped it in this state, they completely broke it overnight. At this rate if it's not fixed by the time my annual subscription is up to renew, I will be cancelling.

It's absolutely the worst AI slopification of any product I use, and the CEO and everyone who pushed to ship it needs to be fired.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by yencabulator »

gmueckl wrote: post #435
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open.

Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on.

People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE.

https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/extens...

https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/extens...

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-cpptools/wiki/Microsoft-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hinkley »

segphault wrote: post #153
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft not being terrible was a zero interest rate phenomenon. The news today is a lot worse than just Github not being independent anymore. It sounds like literally the entire development division is being rolled into this "Core AI" business unit. When Nadella announced plans to double the company's revenue by 2030, it was pretty clear that the enshitifiction was going to ramp up significantly, but it doesn't see…

fifteen years ago I predicted that if we ever have a bloody AI revolution, the most likely case would be that it would be Microsoft's fault because they are the kings of unintended consequences.

The second most likely case being some AI figuring out how to hack AWS to steal compute time, probably by getting access to billing information.

Microsoft seems to be slowly pulling ahead at the moment.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rahkiin »

jayd16 wrote: post #478
ackfoobar wrote: post #262

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> .NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales, with GUI workloads, profilers, still being mostly Windows only, and partially supported on VSCode, which also has the same VS license. On HN I keep hearing that associating .NET with Windows is outdated perception. Writing JVM languages I feel that the developer experience is pretty much the same on any OS. It seems this cannot be said for .N…

If you're writing a server or a web app then its good and runs well. Visual Studio is still not ported to Linux or Mac, you need to use Rider or VSCode. If you use JetBrains for Java, using Rider will feel good no matter where you are. The GUI library situation is a tough one. In many ways its far more advanced than other languages but their newest attempt is not as good as the older Windows only API. But what other…

I do not understand the hungup on visual studio.

We dont do the same for java, rust, or c… there are good IDEs for each of them and none are made by the maintainers of the language.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by the_real_cher »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

They're releasing a feature on Windows which literally records your screen every few seconds!

These guys are extremely bad guys.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jameshart »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

> making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased (Zune, Windows Phone)

The 25 year window you picked actually coincides almost exactly with the time since the original X-Box was launched. Seems an odd omission from the list of hardware MS released in that time period.

Also the IntelliMouse Explorer was released in late 1999, which nobody who has ever had to clean the gunk off a mouseball roller would describe as ‘cringe’.

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