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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

streptomycin wrote: post #447
istjohn wrote: post #428

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It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement. It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-…

There are currently about 40 countries that have a higher Muslim percentage than Israel's Jewish percentage. Many of them much higher. Many of them kicked out all their Jews in recent history.

What exactly is your argument here? Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries, therefore, Jews can treat Palestinians like subhumans?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

xorcist wrote: post #407
Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

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They shouldn't but the harsh reality is that we all suffer for the mistakes of our leaders.

Put bad people in power (Hamas) and everyone pays.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tome »

18172828286177 wrote: post #456
bawolff wrote: post #446

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Can you be more specific why you think so? I don't think what the commenter you are responding to said would meet the definition of collective punishment under international law.

Israel is directly causing a mass starvation event in Gaza. Innocent children and women are dying every single day, and if nothing is done soon, scores more will in the near future. The commenter’s position is that the situation in Gaza is justifiable because Israel had to take action against Hamas. This is textbook collective punishment: causing suffering to a massive number of people due to the actions of a minorit…

It's indeed collective. Are you certain it's a punishment?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife »

viccis wrote: post #344
victorbjorklund wrote: post #319

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"What percentage of the people being bombed out and starved want to destroy the specific group of people doing and supporting the bombing and starvation" is not the gotcha you think it is. I'd imagine if you asked Armenians about their opinions of Azeris in the NK region, you'd get answers that would give you chills.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by actionfromafar »

ars wrote: post #473
18172828286177 wrote: post #430

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People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death. Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.

Why are they calling for a ceasefire instead of for Hamas to surrender?

First, maybe they still keep a sliver of hope that the Israeli state will be at least marginally morally superior to a terrorist organization.

Second, many do call for Hamas to surrender.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by rajup »

halflife wrote: post #483
istjohn wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement. It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-…

Jews were kicked out of all the Arab nations they lived in, were persecuted in Europe, and you think that they shouldn’t get a sovereign country for themselves? Should the Kurds get one? Tibetans? Catalonias? Scottish?

Native Americans?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by BrawnyBadger53 »

tguvot wrote: post #426
Adverblessly wrote: post #365

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> Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? If you are asking specifically about the Hilltop Youth, I believe most people understand them to be somewhere between extremists and jewish terrorists and do not support their actions. The government (well, Ben-Gvir) can continue to support them (within limits of plausible deniability) as long as they are in po…

people here don't understand and don't care about difference between 700k settlers, 500 hilltop youth idiots and where from they came. trying to explain it, will get you downvoted and flagged. because people find it inconvenient when facts don't correlate with carefully cultivated media picture that they been consuming edit: just in case somebody cares https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl... h…

Doesn't this conveniently leave out that settlers being initially nonviolent is still illegal and meeting armed resistance should have been/is expected when you do a crime like this?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ImJamal »

hersko wrote: post #398
js8 wrote: post #351

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No ground invasion is needed, not even serious economic sanctions for non-compliance. Just a simple phone call from American president, that Israelis are now free to fend themselves from "hostile Arabs", without US military aid (there's a precedent btw). After all, it's Israel's own responsibility to protect human rights, isn't it?

You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?

I haven't confirmed the numbers, but I saw an estimate of 75% of Israeli military funding came from foreign aid (primarily the US) and those numbers did not include the US sitting in the Mediterranean with ships intercepting rockets.

If they had to cut down their military to 25% they would collapse from outside attacks. Israel would probably figure out the funding so it wouldn't drop by that much though.

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Post by istjohn »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #409
dgb23 wrote: post #379

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Let‘s not call people „animals“ in this negative sense. Dehumanization is at the root of these problems.

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And many of Israel's apologists point to the many, often horific, instances of Jewish victimization to justify Israel's crimes. It is a poor excuse. And pragmatically, it fails to persuade, only alienating anyone who isn't already with you.
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