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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #480
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if we read the literature published by members of Collective Shout, they have in fact done this Granted, I've skimmed, but I'm genuinely not seeing it [1]. The closest is this study [2], which counted how many times thirty-eight women "who self-identified as having experienced unwanted or non-consensual sexual experiences in relationships" and were "recruited via social media," when "given the opportunity to reflec…

You kind of missed the point. It doesn't matter if what they did is or isn't real science. They believe it is, and so as far as they are concerned, it's proven. So then what? Since they really believe what they said, how can you blame them for their actions? You might argue that since they are wrong, their beliefs should be changed. Well sure, maybe they should. You could commission a study to confirm that, then try…

> they have in fact done this. The evidence they have supports their claims

>> It doesn't matter if what they did is or isn't real science. They believe it is, and so as far as they are concerned, it's proven

There is a massive gap between someone having done something and their (wrongly) believing they've done it.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by jennyholzer »

patmcc wrote: post #461
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

They may both be damaging, but currently we have a lot more porn than censorship, so it looks like it's causing more damage. If we flip to having a lot more censorship we'll feel that damage more clearly. Or we won't, depending how successful the censorship is.

> we have a lot more porn than censorship

How do you know what you're missing? IMO media platforms are heavily censored in comparison to ~10 years ago, to the severe detriment of American pop culture.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by tempaccountabcd »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447
ben_w wrote: post #241

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> Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. The claim isn't "we don't like it", the claim is "this is damaging to society". I don't agree with such things in many cases (and many people disagree with me when I'm the one saying something is damaging to society), but it's important to note the difference or you will always be arguing against something other than their claim. > No one, including governments or paym…

It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

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Post by lupusreal »

reaperducer wrote: post #369
RankingMember wrote: post #115

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The Puritanical origins of the US reverberate to this day. While coming for "freedom of religion" sounds like a noble origin story, the context was that they wanted the freedom to practice a much stricter, restrictive form of religion than that allowed by the Church of England.

The Puritanical origins of the US Like slavery, smallpox, and tipping, Puritanism was Europe's gift to the new world.

Also penicillin, trains, and the Haber-Bosch process.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by tempaccountabcd »

nosignono wrote: post #205

This is absolutely a wedge to censor LGBTQ+ content. If you can separately argue that adult content should be blocked and LGBTQ+ themes are for adults, then you can block queer content online en masse. Visa and Mastercard have too much power, and are too willing to capitulate.

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Post by [deleted] »

patmcc wrote: post #461
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

They may both be damaging, but currently we have a lot more porn than censorship, so it looks like it's causing more damage. If we flip to having a lot more censorship we'll feel that damage more clearly. Or we won't, depending how successful the censorship is.

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by roenxi »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447
ben_w wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. The claim isn't "we don't like it", the claim is "this is damaging to society". I don't agree with such things in many cases (and many people disagree with me when I'm the one saying something is damaging to society), but it's important to note the difference or you will always be arguing against something other than their claim. > No one, including governments or paym…

It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

I think the issue would be more that people don't accept this is censorship - the surface level here looks like companies negotiating who they will and won't do business with which is actually encouraged. If companies have a moral objection to something then they don't have to be involved. In theory stopping a flow of money takes a lot more than some crazy from Australia getting upset.

The real censorship here is that a system has been constructed where payments must be funnelled through a small number of blessed companies and it has been set up that way to ... promote censorship. Authoritarianism in general, really. If it wasn't for anticompetitive regulations one of these game devs could just branch into banking. We've actually seen that dynamic play out in most of our lifetimes - in the early phase of crypto it was mtgox.com [0] that triggered the transition from cool nerd curio in the internet backwaters to a billion dollar market. So we know the pipeline there would work fine in the absence of KYC regulation.

[0] Magic The Gathering Online eXchange

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by unclad5968 »

elijahdl wrote: post #112
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #60

My free speech red line is criticism of govt and leaders. Ban all the porn games ya want, I don't think they're very valuable. When did pornography become protected speech?

Pornography is the canary in the coalmine of protected speech. When you give a group the ability to censor content on the basis of "obscenity", then that group and other groups can use this to label other subjects they don't like as obscene. LGBTQ+ interest topics are especially vulnerable to this, as it is often made the case that being gay or trans is only about sex. You don't have to consume pornography yourself i…

I don't think LBGTQ+ are too harmed by the removal of "Sex adventures Incest Family" or "Interactive Sex Mother Son Incest BDSM" or "Reincarnation adventure going to rape all NPCS VR" front he steam store. I don't think too many LGBTQ like to include rapists or incest adventures into their group. I could be wrong though.
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