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Post by xcrunner529 »

amy214 wrote: post #476
xcrunner529 wrote: post #442

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This is true as well. Because the people (mostly) let them.

The issue is the representation went from 1:999 to 1:99999999999 representative ratio, so no voice is heard. It's like being in a class of 30 people vs 300,000 people. The answer is common sense abstraction, for example, I am writing this on a JVM on a docker on VM on a docker on a VM on a cloud on a VM. The use of so many layers of abstractions makes it exponentially more powerful. What we need is basically a docker…

Did it? Has the house of rep proportion changed?

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Post by bmitc »

vkou wrote: post #289
idiotsecant wrote: post #285

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I think we got some wires crossed somewhere, my government is helping them beat me up more ...

It takes constant vigilance to prevent that union from being captured by management.

That's a great analogy. Government = worker's/consumer's/people's union. Management = capitalism/corporations.

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Post by vharuck »

ruraljuror wrote: post #426
maccard wrote: post #395

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That’s how it works if I choose “pay at cashier” - if I walk up and don’t have the money the fuel is already in my car.

Where? In the U.S.? Whenever I have paid for gas with cash or from the cashier, I pay for it in advance, “Give me $10 of regular unleaded!”

Before the 2008 Great Recession, most gas stations around me allowed people to pump then pay cash. After some stories of people driving off without paying, the stations changed their policies.

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Post by gmokki »

ericmay wrote: post #418
seszett wrote: post #393

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> France as I discovered does this at the gas stations where they put $200 or so authorizations on your card for absolutely no good reason. It's the same here but I'm not sure how it could work another way? They have to make sure you have the money to pay for the fuel you're pumping, it doesn't seem weird to me. I can't imagine a pump that allows you to pump as you wish and then just begs you to pay. That works for t…

I think maybe what happens is they tap your cards fully possible authorization limit and if you end up trying to get gas multiple times in a short time period (24/48 hours) you can't use your card because they can't hit it for the full limit.

The gas station is supposed to release the authorization after the real payment clears when you stop the pump. So they should not pile up even if you do many visits in short period of time.

In Finland the has pump firsts ask you to choose how big an authorization you want to do when you enter your card to the slot. It will not allow you to pump more than that and the authorization is then replaced by real charge before you enter you car.

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Post by grishka »

maccard wrote: post #394
SoftTalker wrote: post #290

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Credit card is a proxy for an acceptable credit score. It's a filter so they can exclude irresponsible people without exposing themselves to claims of discrimination or racism. Unfortunately people who simply choose to live without using credit are caught up in that too.

In Europe, UK and Ireland it’s not an actual credit card - a debit card is perfectly acceptable and normal.

Back when Russia had Visa and MasterCard, debit cards issued by our banks counted as credit cards as far as the payment systems were concerned. I'm sure there are other countries where this is the case.

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Post by goopypoop »

spauldo wrote: post #475
goopypoop wrote: post #379

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Is it reasonable to make "use your body to test for carcinogens" part of the manager's job description?

Yeah really, I mean look at how the global population died out in the 1960s because someone walked past them with a lit cigarette. You realize there's a difference between cigarette smoke and mustard gas, right? Standing at the door of a room that someone smoked in will have no effect on your health whatsoever. You need to be standing in the room, while they're smoking, preferably for a few decades.

people from the 60s die every day

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Post by sbarre »

tbrownaw wrote: post #468
sbarre wrote: post #457

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I'll assume good faith here: AirBnB rentals typically make more money for apartment and condo owners than long-term rentals, at least in big cities (that attract tourists) where there's often already scarce housing and not a lot of new affordable construction. So as housing units get taken off the long-term market rental (i.e. actually being used for housing) to be turned into short-term rental for AirBnB, it reduces…

> I'll assume good faith here: This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error. > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. That you for…

> > I'll assume good faith here:

> This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error.

Nah it's just that we've had trolls in here before who try to make bad faith arguments about AirBnB, by pretending they don't see the problems created by turning housing into short-term rentals.

> > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above.

> That you for agreeing that they do not prevent housing supply from increasing to meet the increased demand.

I definitely don't agree with that. I said "necessarily" for a reason, meaning it's not the _only_ factor, nor it is _always_ a factor (depending on location etc) but it certainly is one of the major impacts on housing supply.

As for meeting demand, here's one way AirBnB is "preventing" supply from meeting demand:

Builders build what sells, and what buyers want. For the last while in many/most large western cities (I only know Canada and the US mostly, making a few loose assumptions here about elsewhere), real estate investors have been pushing for lots of single-bedroom condo units because those are the kinds of units that are popular as short-term rentals.

So builders prioritize these kinds of units for sale to investors who have no intention of making them available as housing, even though they are zoned and built as housing.

So... I think you can draw a pretty solid line between this kind of economic incentive and a lack of housing to meet demand, since there is a finite capacity for building housing (based on available builders - i.e. capital and manpower).

Secondly, remember impacting supply is not just about adding new housing but also about how affordable the available housing is.

When people convert existing housing to short-term rental, it reduces the total supply. And when you squeeze the supply, prices go up, and people get priced out of the places they live.

A few links for you:

https://ricochet.media/justice/housing/how-airbnb-and-short-...

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2024010...

p.s. If you want to reply again and discuss, try not to cherry-pick a few low-relevancy sentences out of context to ignore my broader point.

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Post by rconti »

torlok wrote: post #482
rconti wrote: post #391

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No, it's not. I just checked into 6 hotels across 5 countries in both Eastern and Western Europe last month, and every single one needed a tapped physical credit card for a deposit on top of my pre-paid booking (sometimes via booking.com, sometimes direct with the hotel). I can't remember ever NOT having to leave a CC for a deposit in any hotel I've ever stayed at in any country in my life. I'm sure it's happened, bu…

It's like we live in a different reality. I check into hotels every year in Europe for business trips and vacations. I book through sites like booking.com, I pay ahead via my bank, I don't give my debit card information, and I don't own a credit card.

Is it possibly a quirk of your country of origin? I'm assuming you're an EU citizen, and I'm not sure how EU rules work, but perhaps your country has overriding rules that prohibit deposits from being required? Or perhaps paying "via bank" has some implicit damage deposit mechanism going on? Can we ask for you to steal a bathrobe next time to see what happens, in the name of science? :D

I do most of my bookings from US soil with a credit card for guarantee or pre-pay (I do a mix of both), but never direct bank account. So one could imagine the rules for my bookings are different than yours. However I do sometimes make bookings mid-trip, and have not noticed a different damage policy, and, in Europe, I check in with an EU passport so I'd probably be subjected to the same rules/policies as any other European.

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Post by rconti »

rconti wrote: post #498
torlok wrote: post #482

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It's like we live in a different reality. I check into hotels every year in Europe for business trips and vacations. I book through sites like booking.com, I pay ahead via my bank, I don't give my debit card information, and I don't own a credit card.

Is it possibly a quirk of your country of origin? I'm assuming you're an EU citizen, and I'm not sure how EU rules work, but perhaps your country has overriding rules that prohibit deposits from being required? Or perhaps paying "via bank" has some implicit damage deposit mechanism going on? Can we ask for you to steal a bathrobe next time to see what happens, in the name of science? :D I do most of my bookings from…

FYI, chatgpt gave me an unsatisfying answer that, basically, "European guests MIGHT not be asked for a deposit, sometimes, because they're local and therefore slightly more trusted", but it certainly doesn't sound like you should be escaping deposits 100% of the time. So perhaps there's another reason out there we've still not discovered.

https://chatgpt.com/share/687d38d1-101c-8004-8119-6c433dd32c...

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Post by spauldo »

goopypoop wrote: post #496
spauldo wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah really, I mean look at how the global population died out in the 1960s because someone walked past them with a lit cigarette. You realize there's a difference between cigarette smoke and mustard gas, right? Standing at the door of a room that someone smoked in will have no effect on your health whatsoever. You need to be standing in the room, while they're smoking, preferably for a few decades.

people from the 60s die every day

Yeah, six decades later.
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