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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sfn42 »

sickofparadox wrote: post #478
heraldgeezer wrote: post #390

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In general, the most civilized part of the world, western & north europe. So, Norway, Dennmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Austria, Switzerland

You can, and people have, get arrested and sentenced to prison in most of those countries for posts on social media.

Do you have some specific examples? You present it as if it's a bad thing but I can imagine scenarios where it makes perfect sense. As an obvious example the person could be sharing CP on social media.

So what exactly are you referring to?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by arthur-st »

HenryBemis wrote: post #5

I remember Steve Gibson saying some years back that the only reason USA doesn't (cyber-)'attack' Russia's train infra is the inability to 'hide the traces' of the attack, and it would be 'easily' attributed/mapped back to the USA causing (political) issues. Well, Ukraine doesn't have 'that' challenge. On the other hand (and I'm not defending a drone company), anyone that has a business should know by now that ransomw…

I did work for a Russian financial multinational just before COVID-19, as a native Russian speaker, and it was a free-for-all mess interally. The IT side had a load-bearing, old-school sysadmin type with a personality for heroics.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by ivan_gammel »

ben_w wrote: post #487
ivan_gammel wrote: post #468

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It is unlikely that we will see new nuclear powers. It's not an easy job. We can be sure that Israel or North Korea won't give up, but that does not mean they are going to use the weapons or there will be a full-blown intercontinental war. Looking at current progress in space tech, in 30-40 years the ultimate WMD will be kinetic space weapons anyway.

North Korea and South Africa* getting nukes are both independent proofs that it's not hard for a nation to get nukes. I've seen credible commentators suggesting Ukraine itself is only months away, if it chooses that path. Less credibly, because the Russian government says a lot that isn't really true, Medvedev has been quoted saying "a number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warhe…

> North Korea and South Africa* getting nukes are both independent proofs that it's not hard for a nation to get nukes

Define „hard“ then. Both started early in 1960s, both had access to uranium (North Korea is actually mining it - not every country can do that), both used foreign support for their nuclear programs. Neither achieved ICBM range to deliver nuclear warheads to any location on this planet or had submarine component. Ukraine may have theoretical ability to design and produce nuclear weapons, but it is a technologically advanced nation far ahead of many developing countries and it is not going to have resources for a nuclear program any time soon being heavily dependent on foreign aid.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by dralley »

JSteph22 wrote: post #373
victorbjorklund wrote: post #41

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Why would that be the case? Ukraine has a very large IT sector and they have a lot of good IT security specialists. To be honest, a lot of cybercriminals have been from Ukraine. So I don't see why it would be the case that Ukraine could not have done this by themselves. They have done previous attacks by themselves. I don't see why that would be the case. It would kind of be like saying, "Oh, if Russia does a cyberat…

>Why would that be the case? It's not speculation that Ukraine is being assisted to a huge degree. One angle of that assistance: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-...

That very article mentions that on a number of occasions Ukraine has gained intelligence or pulled off their own ops which the US was completely unaware of.

Just because they're being helped doesn't mean that literally everything they do can be appropriated to the US.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by TiredOfLife »

Mars008 wrote: post #490
TiredOfLife wrote: post #479

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in 2014 russia invaded.

Whatever, that's doesn't justify shelling a city. BTW, it's considered Ukrainian territory and those civilians killed by Ukrainian military were Ukrainians. However it was supported by the government up to and including Zelinsky, and by the majority of 'true Ukrainians'. Nobody was prosecuted.

There was no shelling of civilians.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sickofparadox »

sfn42 wrote: post #491
sickofparadox wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, and people have, get arrested and sentenced to prison in most of those countries for posts on social media.

Do you have some specific examples? You present it as if it's a bad thing but I can imagine scenarios where it makes perfect sense. As an obvious example the person could be sharing CP on social media. So what exactly are you referring to?

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/06/german-police-mass-raids-h...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-woman-given-harsher-senten...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/autistic-teenage...

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-...

Germany and the UK seem to be the worst offenders in regards to this, but that may just be selection bias on what gets into English language media. I can pull more articles if you're actually interested.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sfn42 »

sickofparadox wrote: post #498
sfn42 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some specific examples? You present it as if it's a bad thing but I can imagine scenarios where it makes perfect sense. As an obvious example the person could be sharing CP on social media. So what exactly are you referring to?

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/06/german-police-mass-raids-h... https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-woman-given-harsher-senten... https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/autistic-teenage... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... Germany and the UK seem to be the worst offenders in regards to this, but that may just be selection…

The Telegraph article does seem a bit ridiculous but the others seem fairly fine to me. One of them wasn't even an arrest, it was just a politician pressing charges which is his right.

I think it's fair to demand that people follow laws on the internet as in person. Germany has laws against supporting nazism and for good reason. I don't give a crap about those people's right to free speech. The laws against insulting politicians seem a bit less reasonable but honestly just don't call people names online. Can't say I'm bothered by these articles.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sickofparadox »

sfn42 wrote: post #499
sickofparadox wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/06/german-police-mass-raids-h... https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-woman-given-harsher-senten... https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/autistic-teenage... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... Germany and the UK seem to be the worst offenders in regards to this, but that may just be selection…

The Telegraph article does seem a bit ridiculous but the others seem fairly fine to me. One of them wasn't even an arrest, it was just a politician pressing charges which is his right. I think it's fair to demand that people follow laws on the internet as in person. Germany has laws against supporting nazism and for good reason. I don't give a crap about those people's right to free speech. The laws against insulting…

Are you by any chance a European?
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