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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Auracle »

Walf wrote: post #299
Auracle wrote: post #289

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Oh, come on. “It takes me 15 minutes to get to my destination. I should leave 5 minutes earlier than I need to in case there’s traffic or whatever.” Set an alarm for 20 minutes before you need to get there, and leave when it goes off. Done. I will absolutely trivialize it because everyone I’ve ever known that’s like that simply leaves at the time they’re supposed to already be somewhere. Or yes, they get distracted a…

You clearly don't have these issues, and I doubt you care about anyone who does, because your "Oh, come on." response positively reeks of 'that's not my experience, so other people's can't be that different.' It's never just one thing like travel time, it's scores of steps in a routine, which aren't always the same, and can easily be derailed by anything unexpected. You can estimate how long something you do frequent…

Everyone has issues. For instance, I have idiopathic hypersomnia - I'm tired literally all the time. I don't get to say "Sorry wife, I'm just not going to be able to work."

There are things we're good at and things we need strategies to mitigate. I may not have ADHD but I have friends and family that do, so I'm familiar enough with it. What steps in a routine are needed to leave the house? Find your keys and wallet? Always put them in the same place. Go to the bathroom and maybe check how you look? Set that timer I talked about 3 minutes earlier. Other people with your condition can handle it; so can you.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by dgfitz »

yoz-y wrote: post #44
dgfitz wrote: post #38

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Having gone through therapy for 10 years, nah. Having someone tell you what you already know isn’t helpful, unless you have a need to feel heard. Most people just know the bottom line. I still go to therapy. It isn’t helpful.

Why go then?

Because sometimes you just need somewhere to be.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

Hyperboreanal wrote: post #484
93po wrote: post #415

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this response is like hearing someone has crippling depression and telling them "have you tried just thinking happy thoughts? have you tried thinking about things in a happier way?" here's the real thought process (edit: the writing is all over the place but im not gonna spend more time editing) it's the night before, you know you need to leave at 7am, you pick up your phone to set alarm, and you see a text from jimm…

>i never CHOSE to text jimmy Yes you did. You are an adult human being with free will.

Another one that just doesn't get it. In that scenario, if you texted Jimmy, it would be a choice, if someone with ADHD did, it wouldn't. Again as stupid a response as telling someone in a wheelchair they chose not to walk upstairs.

Not everyone's experience is the same as yours. Denying that only makes you look like an idiot.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

nradov wrote: post #479
ryanjshaw wrote: post #319

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I’m sorry people are so dismissive of your reality. I really don’t understand why they feel a need to insist you are just lazy when you are clearly intelligent and hard working, but struggling due to wiring you can’t directly control.

People aren't being dismissive. The point is that whether someone is intelligent and hard working is utterly irrelevant to everyone else, especially in a work environment. What matters are results , not inner qualities.

Yes, you are, and punctuality ≠ productivity.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

Hyperboreanal wrote: post #485
Walf wrote: post #299

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You clearly don't have these issues, and I doubt you care about anyone who does, because your "Oh, come on." response positively reeks of 'that's not my experience, so other people's can't be that different.' It's never just one thing like travel time, it's scores of steps in a routine, which aren't always the same, and can easily be derailed by anything unexpected. You can estimate how long something you do frequent…

Everyone else manages to do it, you're not special. Be on time, or be a NEET I guess. You've decided you'll never be able to function properly so yeah you probably won't.

What a fuckwit. No, not everyone else manages it. I decided no such thing, you're just fabricating bullshit to feel better about being an arsehole to people who weren't born neurotypical. I have a career with pretty good pay and benefits, and you obviously didn't read anything else I wrote about managing my issues. I'd rather be late than a sociopath.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

sailorganymede wrote: post #298
Walf wrote: post #167

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I'm sure there are those who self-diagnose without really suffering from a condition, but you do realise time blindness is a real issue, right? https://www.simplypsychology.org/adhd-time-blindness.html I don't watch TikTok videos, I don't use Instagram, but I have been plagued by these symptoms my entire life, and don't really care about others opinions on it. You probably don't have it if those symptoms don't resona…

Use a timer like the rest of us. There are solutions to the problem

Omfg. A timer, for everything! Why didn't I think of that? And I'd set this timer for getting dressed, and showering, and making coffee, and conversing with my children. "Sorry, son, I can't help you any further with practising shoelace-tying this morning, I only allotted 90 seconds for that." I should probably set a timer for setting timers, too. Don't want to take too long doing that. Undoubtedly, this will also solve the distraction issue because the proximity of a time measuring device to my neurons will rewire them all to be "normal".

You're so ignorant.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

motorest wrote: post #353
Walf wrote: post #234

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That's half my point, which is why I lead with agreement on that very problem, i.e. people self-diagnosing when they shouldn't. The top-level comment seems to attribute all such people who identify with those symptoms as doing so because of a trend.

> The top-level comment seems to attribute all such people who identify with those symptoms as doing so because of a trend. I think the only source of disagreement is in the way you chose to frame it in absolutes, i.e., "all such people" instead of "people". Framing anything in absolutes counts as a strawman argument, because all you need to do to refute it is find a single case, no matter how isolated it is, where i…

So you didn't think they were dismissive or trivialised the issue? I mean, I can sympathise with the frustration of people somewhat 'giving up' after labelling their own issues, but it's not a logical conclusion to assign it all to a trend. That's what they appeared to be blaming and I didn't see them say otherwise, in any of their comments.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov »

Walf wrote: post #494
nradov wrote: post #479

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People aren't being dismissive. The point is that whether someone is intelligent and hard working is utterly irrelevant to everyone else, especially in a work environment. What matters are results , not inner qualities.

Yes, you are, and punctuality ≠ productivity.

That rather depends on the job. Punctuality = productivity for many jobs, especially those in manufacturing, food service, agriculture, education, hospitality, transportation, security, etc. In the real world certain things have to be done on set schedules and anyone who can't reliably show up on time is worse than useless to those employers.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

Auracle wrote: post #491
Walf wrote: post #299

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You clearly don't have these issues, and I doubt you care about anyone who does, because your "Oh, come on." response positively reeks of 'that's not my experience, so other people's can't be that different.' It's never just one thing like travel time, it's scores of steps in a routine, which aren't always the same, and can easily be derailed by anything unexpected. You can estimate how long something you do frequent…

Everyone has issues. For instance, I have idiopathic hypersomnia - I'm tired literally all the time. I don't get to say "Sorry wife, I'm just not going to be able to work." There are things we're good at and things we need strategies to mitigate. I may not have ADHD but I have friends and family that do, so I'm familiar enough with it. What steps in a routine are needed to leave the house? Find your keys and wallet?…

Why is it that you think you're offering life-changing advice? What makes you think I don't use repetition? What makes you think I've never tried timers? What makes you think I'm the exact same as person as your friends and family? What makes you think I don't also 'just get on with it'? Do you even think about what you're writing?

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

nradov wrote: post #498
Walf wrote: post #494

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Yes, you are, and punctuality ≠ productivity.

That rather depends on the job. Punctuality = productivity for many jobs, especially those in manufacturing, food service, agriculture, education, hospitality, transportation, security, etc. In the real world certain things have to be done on set schedules and anyone who can't reliably show up on time is worse than useless to those employers.

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