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Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by thankyoufriend »

thedevilslawyer wrote: post #474
thankyoufriend wrote: post #48

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The difference between GenAI and your examples is a theft component. They stole our data - your data - and used it to build a machine that diverts wealth to the rich. The only equitable way for GenAI to move forward is if we all own a share of it, since it would not exist in its current form without our data. GenAI should be a Universal Basic Asset.

Today you can go buy and be an owner in AI by buying the AI company stocks. You are enabled by the system that we have..

You realize that not everybody has the means to invest in stocks, right? Artists are so commonly poor, that there's even a trope called the "starving artist." I have noticed a distinct lack of empathy in the broader discussion about GenAI's impact on the working class. The argument is always made that this isn't new, that people have to retrain when new technology displaces them. Ok, sure. But the speed of this displacement is very new and it happened basically overnight. How do you expect these displaced people to sustain themselves during the retraining period? There's only so many McJobs, and it's not as easy as you think to get one right now. I just watched someone with a college degree apply to everything for 2 months before landing one. There's also the deeply-held belief that people are only valuable if they work, which I think many of us subconsciously believe, but that's pretty messed up if you reflect on it and follow it to its logical conclusion.

There's also the principle of the matter that we shouldn't have to pay for a share of something that was built using our collective unpaid labor/property without our consent.

Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by eesmith »

sfn42 wrote: post #483
eesmith wrote: post #453

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If society no longer needs my job, society should help. What's your solution to the miners of West Virginia? https://www.wvva.com/2025/06/25/coal-miners-face-layoffs-fed... "As West Virginians face possible cuts to Medicaid and SNAP, they are also being hit hard in the job market." "“I’m worried for the people that are laid off, and are they going to be able to find another job? You know, are they my age? How are you…

I'd suggest that Mr. Estes find a different mine to work at if he insists on continuing to work in mining. He could also pivot to other industry, safety is a big deal in most industry. I'm sure they would consider him at many locations for similar positions. I'm not opposed to having programs to help these people, not at all. I'm from Norway where we have free healthcare, education, social security nets etc. I'm all…

Since you are from Norway you likely aren't aware that there aren't significant other mining jobs in West Virginia.

Or other jobs in West Virginia, with its long history of coal mining, with profits ending up in the pockets of mine owners, not employees.

Since you think people are only looking for jobs that fall in their lap, I'm certain you have no idea of the issues.

So, now you need find a new job yourself, and it requires a specific training, so you spend your savings on a one year training program, only to find that, once done, the job market has changed and now you also need two years of job experience .. then what?

In the meanwhile, your breathing has gotten more difficult. You think it might be black lung. Your union helped pass the law which helps provide health and financial support to miners who get black lung, and you became a miner expecting this protection, but Trump DOGE'd it so who knows when you'll get your legally required support.

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Post by abareplace »

amiga386 wrote: post #346
moritzwarhier wrote: post #114

Cool post, but: > And the only real hope I have here is that someday, maybe, Bitcoin will be a currency, and circulating money around won’t be the exclusive purview of Froot Loops. Christ PLEASE NO. The only thing this will lead to is people who didn't get rich with this scheme funding the returns of people who bought in early. Whatever BTC becomes, everyone who advocates for funneling public money of people who actu…

But can't you see what he actually wants? He wants normal banking and money transfer... but just to anybody , and for any reason . As an example, he'd like people to be able to pay him to draw bespoke furry porn for them. Or as another example, why can't a US citizen pay an Iranian citizen to do some work for them? (e.g. write a computer program) That is totally possible. The only thing that stands in his way, and dr…

Eevee is she, not he. See the website footer and the home page.

Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by sfn42 »

eesmith wrote: post #492
sfn42 wrote: post #483

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I'd suggest that Mr. Estes find a different mine to work at if he insists on continuing to work in mining. He could also pivot to other industry, safety is a big deal in most industry. I'm sure they would consider him at many locations for similar positions. I'm not opposed to having programs to help these people, not at all. I'm from Norway where we have free healthcare, education, social security nets etc. I'm all…

Since you are from Norway you likely aren't aware that there aren't significant other mining jobs in West Virginia. Or other jobs in West Virginia, with its long history of coal mining, with profits ending up in the pockets of mine owners, not employees. Since you think people are only looking for jobs that fall in their lap, I'm certain you have no idea of the issues. So, now you need find a new job yourself, and it…

Then move out of West Virginia. Or find something that works in WV. Those are their options.

I also can't say I have much sympathy for people who voted for Trump and then got screwed by Trump. West virginians overwhelmingly voted red. You can't vote against social security nets and then complain that you dont have a social security net.

Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, red blooded patriots. No one can tread on you.

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Post by charles_f »

matsemann wrote: post #189
chrismorgan wrote: post #100

> Like, just to calibrate here: you know how some code editors will automatically fill in a right bracket or quote when you type a left one? You type " and the result is "|"? Yeah, that drives me up the wall. It saves no time whatsoever, and it’s wrong often enough that I waste time having to correct for it. I have not yet figured out why anyone would choose this behaviour in a text editor. You have to press somethin…

> and it’s wrong often enough How is it ever wrong, though? If I insert a (, and then a {, and the editor appends so that it's ({}), that's always ?correct. Can it ever not be. Maybe because on a Norwegian keyboard { is a bit awkward, but I like it. Then even if we're 5 levels deep with useEffect(() => {(({[{[ I can just press ctrl+shift+enter and it just magically finishes up everything and put my caret at the corre…

I can't count how many } I've deleted across the years because of that feature

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Post by ruszki »

analog31 wrote: post #359
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #61

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>LLM isn't like calculator or microwave oven or other technology before. (Like OP's article) But it really is. I would not buy a calculator that hallucinated wrong answers part of the time. Or a microwave oven that told you it grilled the chicken but it didn't and you have to die from Salmonella poisoning.

Just an odd aside that occurred to me: Would you buy a calculator that hallucinates wrong answers part of the time, but gets enough correct answers and "partial credit" to earn you a certificate for being competent in math?

The people who care about certificates, but not quality, are usually pretty bad in their jobs anyway. Nobody cared what certificates I have or not, and I know several people who had to lie about their certificates - that they don’t have some when in reality they have - to get their current jobs. For example, they signal to me that you like to waste your time for performative acts, instead of doing your job. Also, it’s usually pretty bad to work for bosses who substantially value these.

So should AI also indicate this to me? That the job will suck, and there would be bad coworkers around me in the job?

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Post by eesmith »

sfn42 wrote: post #494
eesmith wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you are from Norway you likely aren't aware that there aren't significant other mining jobs in West Virginia. Or other jobs in West Virginia, with its long history of coal mining, with profits ending up in the pockets of mine owners, not employees. Since you think people are only looking for jobs that fall in their lap, I'm certain you have no idea of the issues. So, now you need find a new job yourself, and it…

Then move out of West Virginia. Or find something that works in WV. Those are their options. I also can't say I have much sympathy for people who voted for Trump and then got screwed by Trump. West virginians overwhelmingly voted red. You can't vote against social security nets and then complain that you dont have a social security net. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, red blooded patriots. No one can tread on…

Bless your heart.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

csomar wrote: post #320
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #125

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I was able to have Opus 4 one-shot it. Happy to share a screenshot if that wasn't your experience.

Interested to see your Opus 4 one-shot. I tried it very recently on Opus 4 and it burbled non-sense.

Sorry for the delay, I'm out for the weekend I'll hey you it tomorrow!

Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by soueuls »

I found some interesting bits in this article but overall I think it’s being overly cynical.

In the past ten years, I worked with one guy from Nigeria and a bunch of people from Iran. Bitcoin (or rather cryptocurrencies in general) have been more than just mere gimmicks.

Sending money from one side of the world to another, for such a low fees, even when the central bank of Nigeria is blocking USD transfers, even when bank transfers to Iran are being blocked, has been very useful in itself.

As for AI, yes if you use it as a God, you will be disappointed. Yes it can’t do everything. Yes it will hallucinate.

But it’s been a great learning environment for me, I keep asking questions to get an overview of things.

I used to learn concepts such as « clean architecture » because AI is never tired, it can provide endless variations to the same problems, until you better understand the underlying principles and the recurring patterns.

When I work on a project, 20-30% is creative, cutting edge, never seen before. 70% is CRUD, necessary boilerplate.

I know what I am supposed to be doing, I can verify the result, double check the validity of it.

Why would I waste hours typing letters?

Do I rely on AI for everything? No I don’t.

But pretending it’s completely useless, is nonsensical.

Yes it’s just statistically inferring the next token, but it’s actually a very simple, powerful concept.

Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by martin-t »

dalemhurley wrote: post #111

> "live in some futuristic utopia like the EU where banks consider "send money to people" to be core functionality. But here in the good ol' U S of A, where material progress requires significant amounts of kicking and screaming, you had PayPal." I remember when PayPal came to Australia, I was so confused by it as I could just send money via internet banking. Then they tried to lobby the government to make our bankin…

I hate that companies try this. They should pay massive fines and execs should go to prison for this.

This is not rhetorical - if you (try to) make the life of literally millions of people worse in a small way, the amount of time and money wasted by them should be calculated and used to determine the punishment.

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