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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by cma »

rbanffy wrote: post #163
ajb wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even ignoring primary crimes, under Israeli law, even incitement to genocide is punishable by death. But so many members of the political and media elite have made inciting statements, that the rubicon is crossed; the political class cannot allow any serious, independent consideration of war crimes to ever occur, because that would risk them all facing the firing squad. This in turn signals to individual soldiers tha…

> even incitement to genocide is punishable by death For that to happen, the government, and the overall population, would need to consider what's being done in Gaza and on the West Bank to actually be a genocide. I don't think popular support for that actually exists in Israel. Last time I checked, most of the population supported the annexation of Gaza and the forced eviction of the local population to neighboring…

There isn't popular support for it when you factor in the Israeli-Palestian but in opinion polling it has now gone beyond 50% among the rest of the Israeli population.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by compiler_queen »

breppp wrote: post #420
sillyfluke wrote: post #374

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Really? Is this why the world does not recognize the north part of Cyprus despite Turkish Cypriots not butchering any Greeks south of the border since 1974, when they unilaterally declared independence? Please name some other countries post-WW2 that were "founded by ethnic cleansing" and embraced by the international community and educate the rest of us. And please don't include previously warring peoples whose leade…

> Please name some other countries post-WW2 that were "founded by ethnic cleansing" and embraced by the international community and educate the rest of us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Greeks_from_Istan... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Turks_from_Bulgaria_... https://en.wikipedia.org…

What, like it's happened elsewhere so it's OK now? How do you think that kind of defense argument goes down in court?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by dingnuts »

Newtonip wrote: post #372
avip wrote: post #329

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Many states were "founded on ethnic cleansing". They are widely considered to posses a right of existence, and even expected to defend their citizens. (excuse me for ignoring the history trolling)

> Many states were "founded on ethnic cleansing". So what? I don't get your point. Israel has continuously been oppressing the Palestinians for almost 80 years. That is immoral. Israel is in the wrong. > They are widely considered to posses a right of existence, and even expected to defend their citizens. You are just jumping to a different topic. I said nothing about its right to exist.

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by cma »

ignoramous wrote: post #483
tkel wrote: post #13

We already knew this was happening from testimony from Gazans, it was obvious that the new US-Israeli monopolized "aid" organization was running the Hunger Games, with dozens killed by Israelis (+ US contractors) every time there was a distribution day, and horrific pictures and video of it. Entirely predictable too when the genocidaires are controlling the aid. It is good there is now proof from the inside as well.

> ...the new US-Israeli monopolized "aid" organization was running the Hunger Games, with dozens killed by Israelis (+ US contractors) every time there was a distribution day ... the genocidaires are controlling the aid. It was apparently 2 VCs and not the military that came up with GHF (and if I recall, there even was a brief flare up between the ruling Cabinet and the Chief of Staff, Eyal Zamir, who did not want th…

> One was Liran Tancman, an entrepreneur and reservist in the IDF’s 8200 signals intelligence unit, who called for using biometric identification systems outside the distribution hubs to vet Palestinian civilians.

Gives the feeling of the serial number tattoos the Germans used, with tech "fixing" the bad optics of doing that, but the biometric ID serves as one.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by FireBeyond »

LunaSea wrote: post #273
regularization wrote: post #160

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> I do prefer drug dealers over Hamas islamists Netanyahu prefers Hamas, he was propping them up prior to the current battles, according to the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... Also, if, as in the recent New York City mayoral debate, US politicians are supposed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, which it recognizes itself as, then I don't see the big deal over Palesti…

Palestinians preferred them as well since they elected Hamas.

When was the last actual election?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by keutoi »

exodust wrote: post #471
IAmGraydon wrote: post #381

I’m not going to claim a side in this, but I do have a question to pose. When you have two ideologies which are so diametrically opposed to each other that they cannot coexist in the same space at the same time, what is the alternative outcome? One must destroy the other for peace to exist - this is the nature of war. To think that there is some world where everyone comes away from this with a handshake and an agreem…

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If it the right thing to do, why isn't Israel embracing and announcing the said genocide?

Is the only wrong thing Hitler did is to not make a few false flag attacks on the Germans before announcing the 'Final solution'?

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Post by pphysch »

flkenosad wrote: post #476

WW3 is going to be China vs Israel. Watch.

Israel can't even sustain a hot war with Iran, with US backing, despite assassinating dozens of Iranian top brass. China represents 10-20 Irans.

China (and Turkey, Arab states) is more or less content to sit and watch USA destroy itself domestically and internationally over the failed Zionist project. "Do nothing, win."

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Post by LePetitPrince »

justin66 wrote: post #442

People ought to understand that this problem of innocent Gazans - often children - being fired upon by IDF soldiers isn't a new one, it predates the current food distribution operation. An article from October in the NY Times detailing some well-documented atrocities ("44 health care workers saw multiple cases of preteen children who had been shot in the head or chest in Gaza") was published as an opinion piece, in s…

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Post by doctorpangloss »

the__alchemist wrote: post #218

Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

Another POV is that when you distill everyone’s experiences, not just yours, into legitimate votes, people, on both sides of this conflict, choose violence. Does the discourse you participate in achieve your goals? No, it achieves the opposite.

What is this discourse? “Sharpen the fractal of demographics and opinions until you get some rare alignment between them, and you find a supposedly irrefutable and most valid position.” Can you see why winning Internet arguments and getting upvotes doesn’t translate to your goals?

Of course you should share these thoughts and forums like these should publish them. But as much as I hate the Intellectual Dark Web and its philosophies, which are as ridiculous as, “you can gain power by thinking about things differently,” I think they are right that popularity contests are not the end all be all of conflict resolution.

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