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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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neo-fascism because eggs were expensive, nice job American voters.

It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

it's hard to tell if you're acknowledging the false dichotomy, or advocating for one side of it.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

It's hard for me to see this as anything more than "they resisted Trump, that pissed him off and now he's further retaliating." Side question I've been wrestling with to whoever feels like commenting: At what point would you look at our current US situation and say "yep, we're now in a dictatorship"

The day Kilmar Abrego Garcia was supposed to be brought back, but defiantly wasn’t.

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neo-fascism because eggs were expensive, nice job American voters.

It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

Americans can afford food. We are nowhere close to 19th century french peasant levels of problems.

Imagine throwing 300 years of democracy and tradition out the window because food prices went up 30%. It went up all over the world but America is the only place that is actively throwing bricks through our own windows.

reads more like a childish temper tantrum than any coherent political move.

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The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

'ratting out' how? this implies they did something wrong

Ratting out in my mind means informing authorities in a way that something negative might be expected to happen to the subject.

For instance, I don't think smoking weed is wrong, but if I go tell an officer you have weed in your car, I have ratted you out despite nothing 'wrong' happening.

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> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. The simple answer is that they don't. Alumni are often in powerful positions, but even they are, that is very different from the school itself exerting influence.

I mean that alumni are invested in the prestige of the alma mater, and in the network they have through that. Also, that some people at the universities are very connected, and can get a lot of people on the phone.

Any alumni in a position of power to do something isn't interested in the prestige anymore, they already got their use out it.

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My point is, this was the advertisement. If you thought it looked great, you signed up for it. And if you didn't vote for this, but you voted for something ridiculous like banning around dozen people from playing sports, well, I have the same amount of sympathy for you too.

Yes and no. It seems obvious it was the advertisement but I know people who voted for Trump that are otherwise fairly liberal. They were either grossly uninformed, misinformed, or simply _didn't believe_ the reporting about various issues. The last is the most frustrating to me because there is a hint of the truth there - the stuff reported about Trump _is_ insane. They're doing things so openly and brazenly that the…

Shouldn’t voters at least try in good faith to inform themselves? How else can we expect democracy to work?

For example - The day after Brexit - so many people regretted voting to leave. They could’ve thought about it 24 hours earlier, no? “I was misinformed, uninformed” sounds lazy and shallow, isn’t it? How hard can it be to spend an hour less on Netflix and an hour more learning about what’s on the ballot?

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The us government, using the appropriate mechanism like passing laws etc, can change the policies like they see fit. However I don't understand how it's possible to single out a specific university. Are there precedents for this kind of behaviour?

No; it’s illegal but he controls the justice department and is attempting to silence the courts. He’s singling them out because they refused to bend the knee. This is not okay. And it is not normal.

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It's not just enrolling new students: > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.” So DHS revoked the visas for all existing students at Harvard? That doesn't seem quite possible? Doesn't give them a timeline either. T…

They didn't revoke the visas. They revoked Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students.

I mean ... it's still nuts, but slightly different.

Instead of breaking the "keys" (visas) that unlock the doors to Harvard, they're just putting glue in the locks.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

I think its a few reasons/things here...(some already noted in some way by others) * Trump does not care or maybe lacks the understanding of the concept of a network and influence with entities outside the U.s. * Trump probably figures that he can use this as sort of leverage against negotiations with non-U.s. entities...but using a blunt instrument instead of nuance, or backchannels. * Trump is foolishly following t…

> project 2025...whether those folks are educated enough to understand value of schools of higher educatioin, or worse, these architects fear having an educated population

They may or may not be educated, but they're openly and actively against an educated populace for a multitude of reasons, from resistance to their ideas, to "get to work and start having babies for Christ". They will openly say that the first preference for a male school leaver/graduate should be to find a job, not further education.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

Americans can afford food. We are nowhere close to 19th century french peasant levels of problems. Imagine throwing 300 years of democracy and tradition out the window because food prices went up 30%. It went up all over the world but America is the only place that is actively throwing bricks through our own windows. reads more like a childish temper tantrum than any coherent political move.

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