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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by onemoresoop »

drusepth wrote: post #390
onemoresoop wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy

People will always become lazy with new tools. But not all people. It'll lower the barrier of entry (and therefore the quality floor before people feel comfortable sharing something "they made" if they can deflect with an easy "the AI made this" versus "I put XY0 hours into this"), but it'll also empower people who wouldn't otherwise even try to create new things and, presumably, follow their passion to learn and do…

Im sure not all people will become lazy but im worried about the trend in general.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by GenshoTikamura »

vessenes wrote: post #430
jplusequalt wrote: post #154

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>If you take any high quality AI content and ask their creator what their workflow is, you'll quickly discover that the complexity and nuance required to actually create something high-quality and something that actually "fulfills your vision" is incredibly complex This comes off as so tone deaf seeing your AI artwork is only possible due to the millions of hours spent by real people who created the art used to train…

I also feel unhappy when painters get formal art training which summarizes millions of human hours of work. Even worse they then go to Florence and waste their time stealing art by painting..exact copies of other people’s paintings! I feel a real artist would make their own tools: brushes, paint, canvas, and above all be truly creative by not unfairly using anything that’s gone before. If they did they aren’t creativ…

You said you're an AI artist, but you've just dismissed all artists upon whose work you build your own art as thieves, so either you've admitted yourself a thief as well or you got some serious trouble with logic

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by tmaly »

oliwary wrote: post #408

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid... Created by Ari Kuschnir

If you have ever tried to use VEO in Google's AI studio, it lets you upload a starting frame image and ending frame image which is cool.

But they do not allow any people in the image even cartoon depictions of humans. This knee caps a lot of potential usage.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by 1024core »

sofixa wrote: post #475
jclardy wrote: post #442

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Google is making money hosting these videos, and users are freely uploading them. A competitor would have to scrape/download them, store them, process them all at their own cost, along with having much less metadata available (Which videos are most viewed, which segments, what do people repeat, what do people skip, what do people watch after this video, which video generates the most ad revenue, etc.)

> Google is making money hosting these videos This isn't certain. Google do not break out Youtube revenues nor costs. Hosting this amount of videos, globally, redundantly, the vast majority of which are basically never watched, cannot be cheap. It's entirely plausible that Google's wider benefit from Youtube (such as training video generation algorithms and better behaviour tracking for better targeted ads across the…

> Google do not break out Youtube revenues nor costs.

Google does break out Youtube revenue.

Latest 10-K: https://abc.xyz/assets/77/51/9841ad5c4fbe85b4440c47a4df8d/go...

See page 10, for youtube Ads revenue.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by bongoman42 »

mrklol wrote: post #376
_ncuy wrote: post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Videos without metadata is not as useful. Google also has details on which videos are watched where. Which parts do people skip. All the videos that are blocked for various reasons. The performance of videos with humans over time and so on. They can focus on videos with signals that indicate that humans prefer those videos or clips.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by IncreasePosts »

emkoemko wrote: post #303
IncreasePosts wrote: post #297

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Do you feel the same way about all the human computers that computers put out of work?

what exactly do you do that AI won't take it over? or are you one of those "AI artists"? you do know their end goal would be to replace you as the "prompter" with AI and have auto generated content for everyone?

I'm a computer programmer and I'm not really worried about it. If it can take my job, then it can take a while slew of other jobs too, and society is in for a big upheaval.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by anilgulecha »

_xhhf wrote: post #418
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #393

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It's doable now. Someone just needs to do it. With voice now it's completely doable. Just throw it all together add some effects and you've got a great movie... In theory

It's not a theory, at Cannes a feature movie has premiered that is generated entirely by AI. Made in Spain.

can you share a link/details, please?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by aaroninsf »

Funny but also illustrative issue:

in the owl/badger video, the owl should fly silently.

This is an interesting non-trivial problem of generalization and world-knowledge etc., but also?

There's something somewhat sad about that slipping through; it makes me think, *no one involve in the production of this video, its selection, it passing review... etc., seemed to realize that it is one of the characteristic things about owls that you don't hear their wings.

We have owls on our hill right now and see them almost every day and regularly seem them fly. It's magic, especially in an urban environment.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by hooverd »

vessenes wrote: post #430
jplusequalt wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you take any high quality AI content and ask their creator what their workflow is, you'll quickly discover that the complexity and nuance required to actually create something high-quality and something that actually "fulfills your vision" is incredibly complex This comes off as so tone deaf seeing your AI artwork is only possible due to the millions of hours spent by real people who created the art used to train…

I also feel unhappy when painters get formal art training which summarizes millions of human hours of work. Even worse they then go to Florence and waste their time stealing art by painting..exact copies of other people’s paintings! I feel a real artist would make their own tools: brushes, paint, canvas, and above all be truly creative by not unfairly using anything that’s gone before. If they did they aren’t creativ…

Ok, there is fundamentally a difference in creation versus consumption here though.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by golol »

nrjames wrote: post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

Multimodal LLMs are currently the natural research step towards AGI robots that can do mundane non-creative work. I believe this is just the reality of the situation. If you can generate a video of a robot doing the dishes then your model understands the physical world quite well. That should be useful for robot control.
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