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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by enaaem »

ethbr1 wrote: post #429
vlovich123 wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opini…

> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

The only murky thing is how far Amazon was in implementing it, but there is no doubt that the White House reacted furiously to it. This is a very sensitive issue for them, and companies should be aware that Trump is willing to make their lives very difficult if they show this information.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #439
andrekandre wrote: post #176

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> reflect what voters want. and what do they want?

To be listened to, rather than to be told what to care about, and to have those concerns make it to competent people with the power to do something about them. But it's not really compatible with a system where one person represents millions. You'd need something recursive such that no person represents more than a hundred or so, that way there's time to circle back and explain why certain complaints aren't being add…

Repeal the act capping house representatives to 435. The house then expands massively and you get more representative government.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by roenxi »

mmooss wrote: post #475
rayiner wrote: post #320

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> I haven't heard that argument. I have heard that 'states rights' is intended to workaround various federal rules, including civil rights. That’s the same argument from the other direction. The federal government, as designed, wasn’t powerful enough to protect minorities from the majority. Those rules entailed a major expansion of federal power. Indeed, you can see the seams in the civil rights laws. For example, Ti…

> The statement that “all men are created equal” has nothing to do with minorities. Read the context right before and right after ... The context before and after is quite well known; I don't have to read it. What they say is that 'all men are created equal, and they are endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, among those life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And to protect those rights, governments…

That seems inconsistent with the history of slavery in the US. The evidence is that the people writing that didn't actually mean "all men" - if I look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United... it suggests 41 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence owned slaves. That seems like strong evidence that the literal text was being interpreted with implicit caveats.

A document cannot simultaneously holds all minorities to be equal with a right to liberty and accommodate slavery as it existed in the 1700s. Some of the signers may personally have disagreed with slavery but it seems difficult to say that the document itself represented a repudiation of the practice.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by decremental »

kurthr wrote: post #391
Suppafly wrote: post #384

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My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

Exactly, corruption is legal. Only your competitors will be fined.

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by chgs »

seattle_spring wrote: post #441
nosefurhairdo wrote: post #424

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He explicitly stated that he was not familiar with the contents of Project 2025 on numerous occasions. This did not stop the media from pushing it as yet another hoax. It is unclear whether anyone has actually read Project 2025 or if it just sounds scary. It's truly remarkable how much honest material there is to criticize Trump with, yet folks insist on repeating blatant lies.

> He explicitly stated that he was not familiar with the contents of Project 2025 Yes, that is the "blatant lie" being discussed.

I think it’s obvious he hasn’t read it though - he couldn’t even read an invite from King Charles

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by InDubioProRubio »

enaaem wrote: post #491
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

The only murky thing is how far Amazon was in implementing it, but there is no doubt that the White House reacted furiously to it. This is a very sensitive issue for them, and companies should be aware that Trump is willing to make their lives very difficult if they show this information.

Up next, a mysterious small company appears, releasing the AMAzing Plugin, that allows to compute the tarif addition on amazon.com. Totally unrelated

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by jajko »

Incipient wrote: post #317
matheusmoreira wrote: post #260

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There's no doubt that they could be. Just not as cheaply.

Once a skillset and supply chain is lost, manufacturing a specific item absolutely may not be possible "now". You'd need to rebuild a supply chain and import skilled workers to get it happening.

Goo luck importing external highly skilled immigrants into current super-hostile US environment to undermine their own countries. Proper patriots would even sabotage such effort.

Sure you can massively overpay them, exacerbating the effect of massively rising prices for US domestic product.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by exe34 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #429
vlovich123 wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opini…

> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

How do you go from:

1. White House uses machinery of state to force the hand of private enterprise to hide impact of tariffs on prices.

2. Private enterprise acquiesces.

to "The whole thing is murky at best"?

It's pretty clear fascism to me. From wikipedia (while they are allowed to exist): "centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition".

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#499

Post by chgs »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #492
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be listened to, rather than to be told what to care about, and to have those concerns make it to competent people with the power to do something about them. But it's not really compatible with a system where one person represents millions. You'd need something recursive such that no person represents more than a hundred or so, that way there's time to circle back and explain why certain complaints aren't being add…

Repeal the act capping house representatives to 435. The house then expands massively and you get more representative government.

So you have 6,000 representatives, which is about the same ratio as the population back in 1790.

What does each one do? What agency does each have?

They get 20 minutes a year to speak assuming a 2000 hour working year.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by exe34 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #455
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him: > “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.” > Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “…

The Great Leader does not lie. Reality itself is in the wrong.
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