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Post by hinkley »

vmurthy wrote: post #462
hinkley wrote: post #439

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I don’t think I ever connected that “Lean In” was from a C-suite member of Facebook and I certainly didn’t know how morally bankrupt it was. The case is made pretty well in the book that Sheryl does not practice what she preaches.

From the book, it appears that Sheryl used Meta as a platform for promoting her own image and book rather than do the things that prevented a lot of bad. It’s beyond sad

Sounds like she got sued over it. But not over propositioning direct reports for sex in front of her entire team.

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Post by ssimpson »

armandososa wrote: post #416
matthewdgreen wrote: post #4

I’m only part of the way through the book, so have nothing to spoil here. But it’s entertaining. And shocking. The author will relate a scene that’s so absurd that you think “ah, this can’t be true, this is made up for dramatic effect, nobody would act like that” and then you Google it and you realize the absurd thing is totally true and was fully documented at the time. All the author is adding is a perspective from…

Did you find the author/narrator very unlikable? [mild spoilers ahead] I was tempted to stop reading after the shark attack story when she wakes up in the hospital and declares "I saved myself". Ugh. But I think it makes narrative sense: why would a good person stay at the company after all she has witnessed? It also makes the company leaders seem so much worse in comparison. One more thing: Is it credible that she h…

Many times its easier to look back over a period of time and see the differences than when you are gradually exposed to those things over time. Thats kind of how I'm understanding her recollection about it all. I do tend to take things with a grain of salt, not all Americans are as ridiculous as some of the people she makes us out to sound like. She does paint broadly with the "international community is all good and Americans are all morons" brush, again grain of salt.

About the money thing, I think she was probably compensated better at some point, probably when she was more involved with sandberg and zuck. But also sounds like she was working constantly so she may not have had time to worry about it or worry about spending it. I'm only ~20 chapters in, when they move to MP.

Overall I like the author/narrator, we all tell our stories from our perspective and I just keep that in mind.

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Post by lifefeed »

This is a small bit, and I don't know anything about Zuckerberg's personal life, but "he refuses to get out of bed before noon" is normally more a sign of depression than laziness.

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Post by cratermoon »

imp0cat wrote: post #395
wyclif wrote: post #316

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When I was 18 years old and a new classical guitar student, I was very fortunate to hear the Maestro in concert. I even got to meet him briefly afterward because my music professor had some connection to him. I was blown away at the time by what was possible and that, even though he was very old at the time and had to be led out onstage by the arm, needed help getting seated, and had the guitar placed in his lap, wha…

Mastery comes with age, no way around that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pi7WcHqBNU - Here are some bits of wisdom from Japanese master chefs, both young and old.

In light of this, it's weird how the software industry, especially startup culture, is so rife with age discrimination.

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Post by mionhe »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #452
eru wrote: post #374

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What does any of this have to do with capitalism? Have you ever seen a succession struggle in eg any old monarchy?

Capitalism is a system that allows people to make wealth based on trade. The winners in this game are the people at the top of the hierarchy. All these type A billionaires are the ultimate winners of the game. Zuck is a winner. In communism the system says there are no winners. Everything needs to be fair.

The "system" in this case being the guy at the top who has taken all the power.

Please feel free to point to the real world exception, because I can't find it.

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Post by hermitcrab »

hadeson wrote: post #470
hermitcrab wrote: post #455

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Where does it come from? I Googled "Magni minores saepe fures puniunt" and mostly found pages in Czech.

"Magni, inquit, fures minorem puniunt" - Appeared in Pseudo-Caecilius Balbus.

I found it here: https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/caeciliusbalbus.html

And from: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011605246

"The so-called Caecilius Balbus is mainly an ancient Latin translation of a Greek collection of maxims. "

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Post by andrewchilds »

akudha wrote: post #430
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #236

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It doesn't have anything to do with this though. It has to do with having so much power and money in a "meritocracy" and the mental gymnastics needed to maintain those two opposing propositions. Meta's core product is a machine to sell ads, just like YouTube, TikTok, Netflix (now), etc. It's not that unique. And these stories are all over the valley for even much less powerful individuals

I haven't used FB in over a decade, so maybe I am not up-to-date. While YouTube and FB are both machines to sell ads, I'd take YouTube over FB any day. I can pay YouTube a few dollars and avoid ads, YouTube is an insanely useful learning tool as long as I avoid politics/influencer-idiots and comments - is there any useful part of FB? Maybe marketplace, not sure. Is it even possible to avoid ads on FB?

I say this as someone with an extremely negative opinion of Facebook/Meta/Zuck: there are communities that only exist on Facebook, in the form of private groups. If you want to reach those communities, you have no other choice but to meet them where they are. Same problem with Twitter/X...

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Post by oscu0 »

dsr_ wrote: post #193
Jevon23 wrote: post #28

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In order to get into Zuckerberg’s position in the first place, you need to have a highly competitive personality type. And competitive people want to win at EVERYTHING, all the time. It’s a constant compulsion. Even if they might intellectually understand the distinction between “just a game” and “actual serious time”, they don’t “feel” that distinction in their bones. They have no off switch.

It's not competition that they like. It's winning. Competitive athletes expect to lose. They don't want to lose, but there's only one winner (or three podium spots) in any given contest. They turn "not wanting to lose" into their motivation for getting better, still knowing that they are fairly likely to lose. The competition is the point, and when they lose, they are still a little happy if they did better than they…

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Post by fallingknife »

hackeman300 wrote: post #188
kibwen wrote: post #154

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> Many competitive people want to win, but they want to win the real game, not a rigged version. There are far, far fewer of these people than you think. Lance Armstrong was the best, and he cheated to win anyway. Barry Bonds was the best, and he cheated to win anyway. Tom Brady was the best, and he cheated to win anyway.

The thing Tom Brady is accused of (deflating footballs) is scientifically proven to be a result of the ideal gas law. The NFL admitted they had no idea that was a thing when they levied the accusations at him. Even if you believe the NFL and it was "more probable than not" that he was "generally aware" of a scheme to deflate the balls, let's not pretend that accusation is even in the same universe as what Bonds and A…

Perhaps he failed to cheat, but the text messages that came out make it very clear that he attempted to.
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