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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #381
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #288

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> after all even a firm atheist can't be absolutely sure there is no genuine God Why so? There is no reason for one to exist so not having one is the obvious case. We could of course assume anything, that we are av stylization, that the world is a large ice cream, that what we see is not the reality, whatever If we go for that, sure, we cannot be sure of anything. But we then must also believe that we may live in a l…

>There is no reason for one to exist so not having one is the obvious case. It's a usable supposition, sure, and I agree that being asked to prove a negative is silly, but you can't actually be sure that one doesn't exist. It's not the obvious case at all, it's not even all that obvious as a supposition. What's more, superficially at least, it makes more sense to believe in a supreme, essentially divine creator than…

Most cultures have believed in a multiplicity of gods rather than just a single creator god. This new-fangled monotheism is a relatively modern invention.

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Post by mbfg »

Loughla wrote: post #367
numbers_guy wrote: post #358

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Please stop talking in such general terms. No Catholics I know have been shaken by anything Pope Francis did. I have been educated in a Catholic school, which also served as a Catholic seminary, and I never heard Pope Francis say anything that was not in line with the catechism that we were taught back then.

Many Catholics I know were absolutely shaken by this Pope, and were absolutely not supporters of the man. They thought he was too liberal and too modern.

That's the problem with calling yourself X, without a clear non-subjective definition of X.

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Post by dyauspitr »

salviati wrote: post #121
jjude wrote: post #34

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Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.

His global appeal was real, but his decision to give Opus Dei and similar conservative Catholic networks special status under the Vatican had serious consequences. Elevating Escrivá to sainthood and creating a personal prelature for Opus Dei handed them unmatched moral authority—authority they used to push back on women’s autonomy, justify discrimination against LGBTQ+ people, and quietly influence politics from Spai…

The church is never going to be pro feminism or pro LGBTQ. I don’t think many, many people find that to be a dealbreaker especially in many developing nations where the entirety of the medical and schooling framework is solely provided by the church and cultural mores already line up with those perspectives.

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Post by code_for_monkey »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #346
code_for_monkey wrote: post #213

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Where do you live? How much of your money and land are you willing to surrender to me? I think there's a real argument that it's the right thing to do.

are you going to come back to this or what because it was not as clever as you think it was. English your first language?

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Post by jawns »

thimkerbell wrote: post #458

Which churches come closest to Pope Francis's teachings and worldview? Ones that have both in-person and online services.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest ... the Catholic Church!

Which _other_ churches besides the Catholic Church? Well, Catholicism is more encompassing than many people are aware of.

For instance, you might have heard of the "Roman Catholic Church." Besides the Roman Catholic Church, aka the Latin Church (which primarily uses the Roman Rite), there are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, each with their own liturgical traditions, theological emphases, and cultural heritage. All of them are in full communion with the Pope.

Note: While many Catholic parishes do offer live-streamed services, for the benefit of the sick and homebound, they do not fulfill the Sunday obligation to attend Mass if you are able to do so in person.

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Post by im3w1l »

redeeman wrote: post #172
scrollop wrote: post #129

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"telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag"." Perhaps he should have told Russia to have the "courage" to stop murdering people.

do you think that would have even the slightest chance of changing anything?

Comdemning evil is an act with many purposes. Making the evil-doer change his mind is just one of possible benefit. Even if that is unlikely the other ones remain.

* People naturally imitate what they see others do. A condemnation can prevent others from imitating the evil act.

* A condemnation calls on others to resist and not facilitate the evil act.

* Condemning someone makes you enemies, in a way that is plain for everyone to see. This positioning can open up for alliance offers from others with similar beliefs.

Making someone an enemy comes with risks and drawbacks of course. You become less able to influence someone if you cut ties, hence why people suggest to try influencing in private first.

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Post by DamnInteresting »

ivape wrote: post #477
sneak wrote: post #321

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Strength and power of will does not affect one’s lifespan or ability to resist disease. This is a myth. Disease is not a fistfight.

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After a heavy snowfall, there is an increase in the rate of heart attacks owing to the exertion[1]. Easter is the busy season in Christian church, so it may be along the same lines.

[1] https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/snow-shove...

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Post by michaelsbradley »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #465
gambiting wrote: post #280

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There are still groups(at least I'm aware of them in Poland, I've met people who are part of them) who believe exactly this, that the second Vatican Sobor was a mistake and the "real" mass is only the one conducted in Latin.

It seems unlikely that Jesus spoke Latin at the last supper.

You’re under the impression that’s relevant? How so? Asking out of genuine curiosity.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

ralfd wrote: post #255
gortok wrote: post #219

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It’s important to note that The Two Popes was a drama, and not a true factual story. It fictionalizes and sensationalizes some details; and that’s ok because its purpose is to make you feel exactly the way you feel about it. Pope Francis was a wonderful steward of Christianity and espoused the virtues that anyone would want to see in their religious leaders: humility, grace, an openness to listen and a strong voice a…

> including rightfully limiting the Latin mass Why is that a political thing though? The mass of the roman church was for centuries (almost all it’s history?) in latin.

Imagine going to church every Saturday or Sunday and sitting through a 1 hour service that you don't understand. The conservative side of the church has decided that it hates change, and since the Latin services were mostly cast aside, that's a bad thing to them.
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