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FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by frm88 »

brigandish wrote: post #293
leptons wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>He’s a tenured professor and already has permanent residency at the very least. He is most likely a US citizen. The current administration have proven they do not care about any of these things. Even natural born citizens are now under threat.

Can you name one?

Wong Kim Ark. Granted, that's old. 1898.

Still, the current administration's renewed call to revoke birthright citizenship was via executive order, promptly blocked by courts. Currently the case seems to rest with the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vdnlmgyndo

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Post by telotortium »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #464
rayiner wrote: post #424

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The label “undocumented” is utterly dishonest. “Undocumented” implies that something has been permitted, but not documented. Like agreeing to let a friend live in your basement apartment without drawing up a lease. Illegal immigrants aren’t “undocumented.” They are present in America without the consent of the American people, as expressed in immigration law.

Does the law call someone who drives without a license an illegal driver or an unlicensed driver? Someone who practices medicine an illegal doctor or refer to them as unlicensed? Someone operating without a permit is not an illegal worker but an operator without a license.

You could certainly say they were driving, practicing medicine, or operating machinery illegally, or indeed working illegally if they don't provide valid documents.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

telotortium wrote: post #492
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the law call someone who drives without a license an illegal driver or an unlicensed driver? Someone who practices medicine an illegal doctor or refer to them as unlicensed? Someone operating without a permit is not an illegal worker but an operator without a license.

You could certainly say they were driving, practicing medicine, or operating machinery illegally, or indeed working illegally if they don't provide valid documents.

Did you read my comment? They were driving illegally, not an illegal driver. Practicing medicine illegally, not an illegal doctor. Working illegally, not an illegal worker. See how the language of it works? They are in the US illegally, they are not an illegal person.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by frm88 »

Animats wrote: post #74

This hasn't hit mainstream media yet. It should have by now. Disappearing people is not something the US government is allowed to do. Here's Xiaofeng Wang's bio on the Indiana University site.[1] Google Scholar.[2] Archived version of home page at Indiana University.[3] If anybody has a PACER account, please check there. [1] https://alliance.iu.edu/members/member/8580.html [2] https://scholar.google.com/citations?use…

New developments:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bizarre-turn-in-bizarre...

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

trod1234 wrote: post #201
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #104

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Occam’s Razor suggest he was exfiltrated.

There are no published facts aside from this guys missing, so there can be no adequate accounting of the facts. You've misused Occam's Razor.

There's plenty of other public information. The FBI was searching his house for undisclosed reasons, so most definitely they have some kind of investigation open on him. And his degrees were issued by universities in Nanjing and Shanghai, China, strongly suggesting he is a Chinese National, perhaps naturalized to the United States.

That was known at the time of my post.

We now also know now at the time of his escape, Indiana University had terminated his Professorship. And has continued to disavow he and his wife.

I did not misuse Occam's razor, my knowledge of public facts simply exceeded yours.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by telotortium »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #493
telotortium wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could certainly say they were driving, practicing medicine, or operating machinery illegally, or indeed working illegally if they don't provide valid documents.

Did you read my comment? They were driving illegally, not an illegal driver. Practicing medicine illegally, not an illegal doctor. Working illegally, not an illegal worker. See how the language of it works? They are in the US illegally, they are not an illegal person.

I don’t think these tendentious language games are winning as much support for your position as you think. Do you object to calling people felons, instead of saying they are people convicted of a felony? I know the idea is that by not calling someone a felon, you imply that some negative characteristic doesn’t define a person. But it’s been extended from diseases and mental illnesses, where the logic does make some sense, to legal categories, where I don’t think people ever had an issue keeping the two things apart. Also, progressives are hypocrites in that they are more than willing to call people racists instead of saying they’re merely people expressing racist thoughts or engaging in racist behaviors.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by leptons »

brigandish wrote: post #489
leptons wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The current administration have proven they do not care about any of these things. Even natural born citizens are now under threat. This is my original comment. You are moving goalposts where you want them to be. My comment is specifically about how this administration is threatening natural born citizens by trying to remove protections they've always had, and here you are seeming to say they aren't because no natur…

Using the Socratic method, especially on HN is not “just being an internet troll”. If you can’t handle simple questions that undermine your claims then make better claims. Also, with your attitude I’m not sure this site is for you. Please refrain from the personal insults, it definitely lowers the overall tone of the board.

Your question did not "undermine my claims" at all. I never claimed that a natural born citizen had been deported - I only claimed that this administration seeks to remove that barrier, and as we've already seen, they have been extremely authoritarian and don't care much for laws or rules. If you can't see where this is heading, then you're blind with your head in the sand. Your comment is absolutely a "moving goalposts" troll, and I'm not the only one calling you out on that.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by DrillShopper »

leptons wrote: post #497
brigandish wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using the Socratic method, especially on HN is not “just being an internet troll”. If you can’t handle simple questions that undermine your claims then make better claims. Also, with your attitude I’m not sure this site is for you. Please refrain from the personal insults, it definitely lowers the overall tone of the board.

Your question did not "undermine my claims" at all. I never claimed that a natural born citizen had been deported - I only claimed that this administration seeks to remove that barrier, and as we've already seen, they have been extremely authoritarian and don't care much for laws or rules. If you can't see where this is heading, then you're blind with your head in the sand. Your comment is absolutely a "moving goalpo…

You aren't required to keep feeding the trolls.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by thewileyone »

The South China Morning Post reports that he was fired by Indiana U after letting them know that he was moving to Singapore in the summer.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3304767/us-c...

So he gets fired, goes away on a vacation or whatever, and the govt starts investigating him of malfeasance?

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