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Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Stated positions do not erase decade-old associations, which are fully exploited by Republicans in a media system that is largely theirs. I'd say stated policy positions don't matter period. Nobody reads policy documents, it's all vibes.

> fully exploited by Republicans in a media system that is largely theirs Sounds like one answer to my question about why people don't recognize it when Democratic politicians do prioritize "housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds."

>Democratic politicians do prioritize "housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds."

Have they (notably and visibly in the public consciousness) managed to get results regarding such issues such as housing in areas where they are uncontested?

As an outsider looking in i'd say if i had to imagine a democrat voting area i'd imagine an urbanised area, more progressive but also consistently more expensive.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Dan Quayle also had a law degree, but he was also dumb. And he passed the bar the first try, unlike Harris.

> And he [Dan Quayle] passed the bar the first try, unlike [Kamala] Harris. Harris took the California bar exam. It's notoriously difficult. AFAICT, Quayle took the Indiana bar exam.

Huh, California's bar exam has a 54% pass rate, while Indiana's has a 73% pass rate. TIL!

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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This is just neoliberalism and it doesn't surprise me given the pedigree of the people involved. The author Laura Foote went to Georgetown Day, a DC private school (2025 tuition ~$50k/year) that counts the Obama daughters among its alumni, and Hamilton College, a private liberal arts college in upstate New York (2025 tuition ~$60k/year). "Abundance" co-author Derek Thompson went the Potomac School, a prep-school in the shadow of Langely (2025 tuition ~$50k/year), and Northwestern, a well-known Chicago private university (2025 tuition ~$65k/year). At last Ezra Klein went to public school before getting on that grind.

Meanwhile, on the subject of "state capacity" the author immediately cites "the Niskanen Center". What the heck is the Niskanen Center? Evidently, it's "the most interesting think tank in American politics" according to Time magazine's Molly Ball (Yale, 2025 tuition ~$65k/year), with "roots on the libertarian right". The Niskanen Center says of itself that it "promotes policies that advance prosperity, opportunity, and human flourishing, guided by the belief that a free market and an effective government are mutually dependent." So, what does the most interesting think tank in American politics say about state capacity? Surprise surprise, it says both the traditional Right and the traditional Left are to blame for the decline in state capacity, the latter owing to what else but stifling and "sclerotic" over-regulation. Who exactly at the Center says that? That "research" comes from Brick Lindsey (Yale, Harvard), former senior vice president at the Cato institute where he focused on free trade. Who else is on the masthead for the Niskanen Center? It seems like it's mostly right-leaning Republicans, ex-military, and ex-Cato people.

Is all of this as clear to you as it is to me? To me, this is just the usual prep-school to Ivy League Acela Corridor and Silicon Valley wealthy neoliberal elite making yet another bipartisan "blame both sides" bid to roll back regulations that stand in the way of them making even more money. If that's what you want to read, go for it. It's a free country. Just please don't have any illusions that there's anything new here.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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The path forward from this is to stop trying to write laws that are wealth-neutral on these kinds of matters. Small mom-and-pop should be allowed to do many things that extremely wealthy landlords and/or corporations are not allowed to do. The penalties for violations should be ruinous for the wealthy and small for the non-wealthy.

> Small mom-and-pop should be allowed to do many things that extremely wealthy landlords and/or corporations are not allowed to do. The problem is, then you end up with structuring/smurfing. It's already a common thing in real estate to have one LLC per each building in a development to prevent creditors from clawing money back from the actual developer corporation/fund, no need to entice this even more. Besides, sma…

There need to be greater transparency requirements around that, and legislation targeted at "beneficial owners", with ruinous penalties for any attempt to conceal beneficial ownership. Anything other than full disclosure of all beneficial ownership would mean that if it is discovered, the penalty is you will lose all the real estate you own.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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> It's an interesting problem I'm not sure what the solution is. The solution is to make the rules different for small landlords.

Sounds good in theory, but in practice this stuff is unworkable slippery slope to unmitigated arb. How do you quantify small - number of units or dollar value? What is small - 1 unit? 2? 5?. What stops a larger landlord setting up 1000 LLCs each managing 3 unit? As soon as you get into "different laws apply to different people" you run into problems.

> As soon as you get into "different laws apply to different people" you run into problems.

But when you don't do that, you run into different problems, which is what we have run into already.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Sounds good in theory, but in practice this stuff is unworkable slippery slope to unmitigated arb. How do you quantify small - number of units or dollar value? What is small - 1 unit? 2? 5?. What stops a larger landlord setting up 1000 LLCs each managing 3 unit? As soon as you get into "different laws apply to different people" you run into problems.

> As soon as you get into "different laws apply to different people" you run into problems. But when you don't do that, you run into different problems, which is what we have run into already.

The reflex to make complex laws/tax structures more complex usually accrues benefits to the bigger players more able to parse, navigate and arbitrage those structures.

Every time US tax code gets more complicated, it usually doesn't help the bottom 50%.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#498

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

(author here; ED of YIMBY Action)

I'm super curious about why you think YIMBY-ism is passive. I feel like the main criticism we've often gotten is that we're too in-your-face with our advocacy.

Say more.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I think the author has it quite backwards, at least as it comes to housing. Politicians are beholden to the members of their district, not would-be members. Sure, more affordable housing would benefit many people, but it wouldn't benefit the members of the district, particularly the wealthy and powerful, since more affordable housing is very nearly equivalent to real estate values decreasing (at the very least, as pe…

(author)

I am of two minds about this. On the one hand, the polling says that members of every district are substantially more pro-housing than politicians believe they are. That's one of the points that I'm trying to make in this article: people in your district will reward pro-housing work and economic growth more than incubants believe they will.

On the other hand, 80% of the work we do at YIMBY Action is organizing visible constituencies in districts to incentivize politicians taking pro-housing positions. The phrase I always say is "politicians get to the heads of parades; we are building a parade."

And on a third hand, I do think we can build an ever-bigger parade by getting people who think they benefit from the status quo to realize they don't actually. Small businesses benefit from housing. Suburbanites complain that teachers can't afford to live in the school district and they're loosing people. etc etc etc. I think those arguments are permeating and softening a lot of housing-resistant districts.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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For me, the abundance/yimby movement is an ok answer to the tantalizing but wrong question: what can do to make people's lives better through technology or public policy? For me, there is a deeper problem that this framing can't answer: the pervasive sense among all people that things have gone wrong and a lack of any kind of stable sense of identity. The maga right has been successful because they speak to that sens…

(author)

Personally, I believe that the pervasive sense that things have gone wrong is an effect of feeling economically stunted. I think it feels spiritual, but it's got a specific and direct economic cause: When the next generation is doing worse economically than the previous one, people have all kinds of dark psychological and political responses. Responses that are self-defeating and irrational.

What I'm worried about is that we won't have time (or political will) to fix the economic problem before the resulting irrational reaction blows shit up.

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