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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by lompad »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #453
amarcheschi wrote: post #449

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Unpredictability is the issue when paired with a us alienation from eu, and a us nato exit would make the situation more unpredictable for eu i'm not complaining about the us just like i'm not thanking germany for being one of our commercial and sometimes political partners. Perhaps it's something more present in us discourse but most of the time we're not "thankful" to other countries, even if allied ones. It's some…

The US isn't just a "partner", it does the vast majority of spending among NATO countries, even though NATO is an alliance that Europe benefits from way more: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/... I'm not in principle opposed to this sort of altruism in US foreign policy. I just don't want to have an altruistic foreign policy towards people that resent me. For people who resent me, I want fa…

This is not altruism. This strange american "look how we suffer for you"-thing is just utterly weird.

Why do you think the US has global power projection capabilities? Why do you think they can control world trade? Why is the dollar still the reserve currency?

The military "altruistic" peacekeeping is a major benefit, from better access to trade agreements to bases everywhere and military support from dozens of countries.

Nothing of that would be possible otherwise. Ending the US' protection also means taking away a massive piece of global influence the US had and turning into a "normal" country, not one the world seems to revolve around.

That's the trade-off. You can't keep the soft power without having partners who rely on you and are going to have a much, much harder stand in future negotiations.

Also, US military spending goes directly back into the US economy. This is absolutely not the same as paying other countries, it's a hidden, long-running stimulus for the MIC.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by avh02 »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #480
fransje26 wrote: post #419

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> Both facts. EU is pushing for an end-to-end to end encryption No. Some actors are pushing for an end of end-to-end encryption, which doesn't mean it's an EU fact. In fact, it just got rejected in the French parliament. > Norway tried to jail a lesbian No. A person got investigate for hate-speech, which is perfectly within the bounds of "freedom of speech". The fact that she did not go to prison shows the system wor…

European Threat To End-To-End Encryption Would Invade Phones https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/05/07/europ... European Police Chiefs call for industry and governments to take action against end-to-end encryption roll-out https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/euro... Norwegian actress Tonje Gjevjon faces up to 3 years in prison for saying men cannot be lesbians https://nypost.com/2022/…

you went from "in your own home" to "near abortion clinic" real quick. And abortion clinics IIRC are an area protected from protests or something along those lines.

The man knew. He was told multiple times. He didn't have to pray there. Pretty sure big man upstairs wouldn't mind if he went a few meters down the street.

edit, source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo

further edit: i see said "in your own head", yes, it is in your own head, but the intention is intimidating to those who want healthcare. Pretty sure prayer is not localized.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by energy123 »

owebmaster wrote: post #482
energy123 wrote: post #222

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The flawed premise here is that globalization has not already been a win-win endeavour, both for people in wealthy countries and people in poorer countries. The evidence is overwhelming that it has been win-win, albeit with some negative side effects that need to be managed better. We can always do better but that should not involve throwing the baby out with the bathwater based on a faulty understanding of where we…

> The evidence is overwhelming that it has been win-win It's not a win-win when the rich side wins 100 and the poor side 10

It is a win-win even when one side wins more than the other.

Also you are operating in dollars space instead of utility space, which is a mistake. Even if a poor person "only" gains an extra $2000/year in annual earnings due to globalization, that can be a life changing amount of additional wealth given that their utility function is highly sensitive to small changes.

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Post by MaKey »

monospaced wrote: post #363
apexalpha wrote: post #256

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Do they offer managed services? Their website suggests so but I'm not familiar with them.

They offer managed PaaS services such as databases, logging, secrets management. They also offer quite some managed SaaS services like ServiceNow or soon SAP Rise. These are not (yet) advertised on their website.

Another example of their managed services is Kubernetes.

If someone is interested in getting to know STACKIT, feel free to contact me. I'm working for a STACKIT partner.

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Post by oytis »

tored wrote: post #322
jjevanoorschot wrote: post #276

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An important distinction is that US and EU interests aligned on many important areas up until recently. So it was less of a subservient relationship, and more of a mutually beneficial one. Now that the US wants to turn it into a subservient relationship, the EU is naturally looking for other options.

No, Europe is a de facto vassal state to US since WW2. What Europe didn’t understand or didn’t want to understand was the US agenda differs from Europe agenda , always has. But now they start to wake up facing this reality.

What's a "de facto vassal state"? That's a pretty vague notion, one could fill it with any meaning. What Trump has shown is that Europe is not as dependent as to follow US politics whatever it is.

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Post by lupusreal »

tossandthrow wrote: post #458
lupusreal wrote: post #441

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I think you have a great point about the merit of America defending the defense of Europe against Russia in light of European attitudes towards America becoming clear on the internet. This wasn't really a problem during the Cold War when casual communication across the Atlantic wasn't a thing most Americans had access to, but times have changed and the general American public now perceives a lot of contempt for Ameri…

Do you think us defence will become cheaper if the EU steps up more? And do you think the US will start setting up more social policies if such happens? You should look up social policies in the US under the cold War. I think you'd find that the US was much more aligned. Also,it is easy to diminish the attitudes the US has against all other countries - which is not quite heartwarming either. I would love to return to…

"US Defense" is a euphemism for waging foreign wars. America would be better off if Europe kicked America out of all the military bases in Europe, thereby making it more difficult for America to wage such wars.

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Post by krapp »

cge wrote: post #404
tsimionescu wrote: post #367

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No one claimed he won the majority of the vote though. The claim was just that he "won the popular vote" (this time, in 2024, not in previous elections). And winning a plurality is winning the vote, in almost all electoral systems (of course, the popular vote is ultimately meaningless in the USA, but that doesn't mean we should apply some other arbitrary threshold for what it means to win it).

We're in agreement on that point. I'm just trying to understand the rationale of the commenter who seems to be claiming that Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 and Trump lost the popular vote in 2024. Setting a threshold of a majority would at least be consistent, but I don't see any way to hold both of those positions while accepting the results as correct. >And winning a plurality is winning the vote, in almost a…

Clinton did win the popular vote in 2016. That much has been well documented and well established.

I was incorrect about Trump not winning the popular vote. I thought that the final vote tally had him losing by a slight margin but apparently not, so mea culpa on that.

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Post by tored »

oytis wrote: post #495
tored wrote: post #322

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No, Europe is a de facto vassal state to US since WW2. What Europe didn’t understand or didn’t want to understand was the US agenda differs from Europe agenda , always has. But now they start to wake up facing this reality.

What's a "de facto vassal state"? That's a pretty vague notion, one could fill it with any meaning. What Trump has shown is that Europe is not as dependent as to follow US politics whatever it is.

Germany is still occupied by US without a formal peace treaty, hence de facto.

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Post by dmos62 »

epolanski wrote: post #468
dmos62 wrote: post #352

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Sarah C. Paine, the professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College. I'm not aware of what you're talking about.

That was who I was referring to as well.

I'm not sure what your point was. Are you contesting the numbers she cites?

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Post by FeloniousHam »

snickerbockers wrote: post #445
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

IDK, contrary to popular belief we don't all work for lockheed martin so i really couldn't care less about the military-industrial complex losing business. I really don't see that as a bad thing; it's pretty obvious at this point that a significant amount of US sabre-rattling is a result of the incestuous relationship between politicians, high-ranking military officers and defense contractors. I suppose this could ha…

> But more to the point, you seem to be under the impression that Americans benefit on a personal level from our country's global empire. We really don't.

I am routinely puzzled at the simple ignorance of U.S. citizens decrying the benefits of being the global hegemon:

- global reserve currency: lower borrowing rates, allows us to set economic norms

- massive military and power projections: maintains stability and provides influence wherever it's deployed

- US culture: opens up the world market to US art and culture, all of which redounds to the benefit of industries and consumers inside the US.

These benefits extend to all our allies and generally created an epoch of peace unlike any that existed before (this is including all the wars the US elected to engage in).

You may not like all of the particulars (who would?), but there is no question US citizens are richer for our global power and reach.

>These people don't look like they're living in the epicenter of the world's most powerful and influential empire. It does not matter to them if Europe buys up the new f-47 or whatever.

They may not appreciate how much the military-industrial complex benefits them not, but I think they will experience directly how it had helped when the market is gone.

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