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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by blackqueeriroh »

_heimdall wrote: post #131
yoyohello13 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

most jobs are absolutely not useless. They might seem useless to you, but the work has to get done.

Personally, I think that a receptionist as a building is useless, but I would be pretty pissed off if my packages kept getting stolen or I had to go get each one when it came at my place of business.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by johnisgood »

haswell wrote: post #128
Tostino wrote: post #107

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I see it as very different. I the human want the data from that request. I am using a tool to get it for me. Should I not be able to execute curl to download a webpage because the "understanding that humans generally operate browsers"?

> I the human want the data from that request. I am using a tool to get it for me. Isn't this a bit of an oversimplification, though? Especially when the tool you're using completely alters the relationship between the content author and the reader? I hear this argument often: "it's just another tool and we've always used tools". But would you acknowledge that some tools change the dynamics entirely? > Should I not b…

No, whether I curl it, or I use a browser, or an LLM, it is essentially ALL the same, unless of course the LLM crawls it by itself, without human interaction.

If the scale bothers you, block it, just like how you would block any other crawlers.

Other than that, we all wanted "ease-of-access" (not me though), and now we have it. It does not change anything.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by blackqueeriroh »

rank0 wrote: post #431
ldoughty wrote: post #423

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The idea behind UBI is that people do jobs that they want to do...

Right! So everyone would choose to pursue passions/interests/leisure. We would be going into debt with no meaningful benefit to the taxpayer. Direct malinvestment.

It seems to me that you’re confused about what people enjoy doing.

Also, it’s fascinating that you say “no benefit to the taxpayer” as if the taxpayer not having to work is somehow not a benefit?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by tymonPartyLate »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

This is actually not true. I'm getting traffic from ChatGpt and Perplexity to my website which is fairly new, just launched a few months ago. Our pages rarely rank in the top 4, but the AI answer engines mange to find them anyways. And I'm talking about traffic with UTM params / referrals from chatgpt, not their scraper bots.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by Galaxeblaffer »

rank0 wrote: post #431
ldoughty wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea behind UBI is that people do jobs that they want to do...

Right! So everyone would choose to pursue passions/interests/leisure. We would be going into debt with no meaningful benefit to the taxpayer. Direct malinvestment.

there's no reason we couldn't incentivize the important jobs..

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by blackqueeriroh »

rank0 wrote: post #374
dataflow wrote: post #351

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No we don't. We have too many people who -- even despite having respectable jobs -- can't afford the basic necessities for the month, let alone save for their future and family. The problem they're facing is the lack of the guaranteed basic income, not the lack of a job to collect it.

This is not a fully solvable problem. Especially if the goal is to provide the above for any location. You can do more harm than good by implementing policies like “guaranteed free money”.

Literally every. single. study. run. says otherwise.

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/22/9459?ref=scottsantens.c...

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by ForTheKidz »

tymonPartyLate wrote: post #494
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

This is actually not true. I'm getting traffic from ChatGpt and Perplexity to my website which is fairly new, just launched a few months ago. Our pages rarely rank in the top 4, but the AI answer engines mange to find them anyways. And I'm talking about traffic with UTM params / referrals from chatgpt, not their scraper bots.

If chatgpt is scraping the web, why can they not link tokens to source of token? being able to cite where they learned something would explode the value of their chatbot. At least a couple of orders of magnitude more value. Without this chatbots are mostly a coding-autocomplete tool for me—lots of people have takes, but it's the tying into the internet that makes a take from an unknown entity really valuable.

Perplexity certainly already approximates this (not sure if it's at a token level, but it can cite sources. I just assumed they were using a RAG.)

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by navigate8310 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #68
_2d30 wrote: post #39

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I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

No thank you, when I define a robots.txt file I expect all automated systems to respect it.

Think of the "searching" LLM as a peon of the user, the user asks, the peon performs. In that essence, searching by the LLM should be human-driven and must not be blocked. It's just an automated system doing the search not your personal peon.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by globular-toast »

elicksaur wrote: post #455
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #419

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> I asked it "Rust crate to access Postgres with Arrow support" Is that how you actually use llms? Like a Google search box?

“Prompting” is kind of a myth honestly. Think about it, how much marginal influence does it really have if you say OP’s version vs a fully formed sentence? The keywords are what gets it in the area.

Is this really the case, or is it the case with Claude etc because they've already been prompted to act as an "helpful assistant"? If you take a raw LLM and just type Google search style it might just continue it as a story or something.
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