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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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It's fascinating how any Firefox thread here inevitably devolves into accusations that Mozilla has abandoned users and a push to switch to alternatives, despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor.

>despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor.

Obviously not anymore, it's a add company now.

But at least they have "cool" party's in Zambia.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#492

It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/

Firefox is open source. You can take the source code and strip out all of the malware, spying, telemetry and corporate harm leaving a safe and private browser (to the extent any modern browser can be). There are multiple forks that do that. Download one of them instead. Mozilla Corporation has no control over those, so if you don't like what Mozilla make, exercise your software freedom. The problem with Mozilla, as f…

The problem with these privacy-first Firefox forks is none have the resources to match FF.

If Firefox dies, eventually so will they, as the code stagnates relative to better-funded browsers.

Saying "switch to a privacy-first fork" is not a long-term solution.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#494
Related on 27-feb-2025:

Mozilla owns "information you input through Firefox" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200065 271 comments

Mozilla's new terms of use are out of step with Firefox's direct competition https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43194536 139 comments

Mozilla Introducing 'Terms of Use' to Firefox https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43187423 40 comments

Welcome to Ladybird, a truly independent web browser https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200806 211 comments

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#495

> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information, Taken literally it means that when I use Firefox to upload a file to a customer's web site Mozilla is getting that file too, which does not seem likely. They could get a copy of the text I'm typing right now in Firefox or it means that the browser could do some local pro…

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#496

Debian feature request: A system-wide switch to disable all telemetry and "cloud integration" features that make any network connection to the developers' or developers' partners' servers, applied to all software distributed in the official repositories.

It's time for distributions to only include browsers developed by non-profits

If Debian could just stick to free software that'd be grand. It is a good ideology and there is no need to change it. Introducing ideological confusion is one of the paths to organisational rot.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#497

Obligatory GDPR post. Data of UK and EU users is protected. Why doesn't the USA have such sensible data protection laws; the only hostility I see is from surveillance capitalists spreading their FUD.

Haven't you heard? Protecting liberty is against freedom. Ask Mr. Vance about it. /s

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Mozilla's situation. The "weird license nonsense" you're vaguely gesturing at doesn't even make sense in context. Firefox is open source under MPL 2.0. Your framing that "the choice is between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla" creates a false equivalence. Even with their recent privacy policy changes, Mozilla's approach is structurally different from…

Even with their recent privacy policy changes, Mozilla's approach is structurally different from Google's core business model. >This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't that the entire brand identity of Firefox is Privacy. >It's like discovering there's ham in a vegetarian sandwich. When you ask them they look puzzled and say their focus group was clear it tastes a lot better that way, besides it's just a little bit and…

If only people cared as much about privacy as vegetarians do about not eating meat...

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#499

Link directly to the Github commit: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... , which links to the following issue: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/issues/16016 There are a bunch of locked Google docs linked in the issue, probably internal privacy guidelines. I can't say that this surprises me, perhaps they are looking for alternate revenue streams in case Google cuts them out? To HN: Will yo…

I have long left the sinking ship and switched to enshitified and actually private https://librewolf.net/

Which will go under within a few years of FF dying. (Yes, the current code may still work, but the web will move on without it.)
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