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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jacobgkau »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #480
cptskippy wrote: post #393

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"Qi2 is based on Magsafe" is not the same as "Apple is... contributing to a new version of Qi" Your statement implies that Qi2 used Magsafe as a starting point or that it's primarily based on Magsafe. Your statement is inaccurate and would lead people to think that Qi2 was mostly an Apple design.

…it is. Qi2 is basically a copy-paste of MagSafe

I think their point was that the wireless MagSafe was basically a copy-paste of Qi, so it wasn't "mostly an Apple design" to begin with. "Qi2 is a copy-paste of MagSafe" (or "Qi2 is based on MagSafe") makes it sound a bit like they threw out the original Qi in favor of Apple's completely home-grown alternative, which comes with inaccurate connotations of who actually did the important work.

It's subjective how important the history is and how important Apple's contributions are, but that seems to be what they were getting at.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by DrBenCarson »

philistine wrote: post #325
SunlitCat wrote: post #133

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The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.

The budget iPhone is 900$ CAD. Let that sink in.

Breaking news: Apple makes premium products

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by nlitened »

skyyler wrote: post #461
nlitened wrote: post #353

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You can’t make those people happy, I guess

Well, I bought a 12 mini the day it came out. I'm about due for an upgrade, and I would go with the 17 mini when it comes out, if they still made minis. All of my friends that have minis are also people that don't upgrade frequently.

I like my 13 mini, but now I will be happy to trade some size for a bigger battery. Also, some websites turned out to be unusable on a smaller screen, so today I am thrilled for the 16e

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by seec »

asdff wrote: post #422
Etheryte wrote: post #198

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If they can standardize their whole lineup around two sizes, regular and max, then I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work and complexity for the production lines for a smaller size that sells both lower volumes and lower price. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mini and have one right now, but from a business management perspective I can totally see how getting rid of it makes sense. Another aspect that I…

Battery life deteriorating is only a pain point because they make it so users can't trivially service the battery themselves. It is amazing seeing the walk back over the years from sensible affordances to the consumer to binning those features behind expensive repairs. I still remember my ibook where you could pop out the keyboard with your fingers and pop out the battery with a dime. I remember when they released th…

Exactly. I had this MacBook. It is legendary, they made it at a great price point with most of the qualities and features of the more expensive Pros of the time. It didn't last long, they axed it the next year, figuring they were leaving money on the table. Its weakness was the terrible iGPU in the Intel chip, you couldn't do much serious graphical work with it until you would get the spinner of doom.

I think this is really "peak Apple" era. Most stuff they did after Jobs death is re-heated or poorly designed/conceived.

Apple is just a luxury brand nowadays because they have lost focus on the user, it's a bit maddening that they are getting so rich from it but I guess that's how it is...

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by DCH3416 »

vessenes wrote: post #479
insane_dreamer wrote: post #404

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Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

The original M-series chip team left years ago, or at least the major drivers. Also: radios are hard, super hard.

I wouldn't expect these initial baseband implementations to be fantastic software wise.

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Post by scrlk »

iknowstuff wrote: post #439
GeekyBear wrote: post #195

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I would assume that Apple's new firmware would have been written in a memory safe language. They did make some noise about enabling Swift for embedded development at last years WWDC. Although Qualcomm's big zero day last year was related to the DSP and not the baseband, I believe.

Here’s hoping. Bets on Swift v Rust? I swear if they wrote a modem from scratch in C that’s a major own goal

There's a number of firmware jobs on their website at the moment. All of them ask for C or C++ experience - I haven't seen anything that's asking for Rust or Embedded Swift experience.

E.g.: https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200579953/embedded-5g-4...

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by red369 »

pzmarzly wrote: post #403
crossroadsguy wrote: post #352

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I don't think there is any mainstream Android phone available that is of 12/13 Mini size. In fact there might not be a mainstream one that is smaller than the current base iPhone size.

Regarding your first statement: yes, sadly. Regarding your second one, I have some good news though: ASUS Zenfone 10 is smaller than iPhone 16 by 1.1mm x 3.5mm, Samsung S24 (base model) is 0.6mm x 1.0mm smaller, and Sony Xperia 5 V is only slightly bigger.

I know there used to be such a huge range of Android phone sizes, that there was likely to be a phone in the size you wanted, and you acknowledged that the phones you were listing were not the same size as the 12/13 mini...

But the Sony suggested is slightly bigger than the iPhone 16 in 2/3 of the dimensions and this comment thread is lamenting how big the iPhone 16 is! I think people who see the iPhone 16 as so large it is not an option are unlikely to consider switching to Android for an even larger phone.

It's a shame, because Sony used to make smaller phones with only slightly lower specs than their flagship phones. I also still associate them with making sensibly-sized alternatives, even though they don't anymore.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by BuckRogers »

This might replace my 12 mini. But I'll probably use my phone until it's dead or out of support because this phone just works for me from a form factor perspective.

It's unfortunate jumbotrons sell so well to the mindless masses that live on a phone. Otherwise the two main sizes would be the 5.42 and 6.3. Both reasonable for daily carry in a pocket. The 6.7 and 6.9" sizes are what are silly.

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Post by ryandrake »

ndiddy wrote: post #451
bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #443

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iPhone 13 mini, i mean 24 hours

Of course your phone has a short runtime, it both has a small battery and it's 3 years old so the battery's worn out. One of the main reasons why small phones remain a niche is that improvements in battery technology have been far outpaced by improvements in SoCs, so the easiest way to improve a device's battery life vs. the older model is to make it larger so it can fit a bigger battery. Even when it was new, the re…

How low the quality bar has gotten! A device with a battery is now considered "worn out" after a measly 3 years?
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