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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

Holy shit, that was just pure luck that no one end up dead. Based on the video, the plane glide-flipped just enough to slide/roll itself out of the major fire. Things could be a whole lot worse if it played out just slightly differently.

Stop, drop, and roll.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

My brother in law, aviation firefighter, said after a crash you have 15s to egress, that's it. There's not a lot of air in the metal tube you're trapped in, it'll fill with smoke and everyone will be disoriented. It's also a long way to the exits, and the average person in the exit row probably will be in shock and likely not operate the exit door immediately. Absolutely incredible the fireball was put out in the fli…

Presumably it helped that they crashed into a thick pile of snow in freezing conditions - I imagine that would slow the spread of the fire.

But still, that’s astonishing footage in the Reddit post linked above. Incredible that no one died.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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I wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.

Probably just because pilots generally think planes are cool, especially when landing, and there's not much else to do while waiting in line but film them.

Yeah, this guy probably has a library of landing videos.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #464

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

I wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.

I think most pilots could take one look at that approach and see they were coming in too fast. As many have said, that looked more like a carrier landing than an airstrip approach.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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> Eh maybe. That's not much longer than Beijing-Shanghai. Rail can definitely be competitive. Connecting two growing mega cities by rail in a country that can still build things vs two mid-tier cities in two different countries, neither of which build anything without a decade of delays and 3x the budget (before the projects get cancelled), is not a good analogy to use against flight IMO.

> countries, neither of which build anything without a decade of delays and 3x the budget (before the projects get cancelled) That ends up being circular though. The main reason the US and Canada can't build anything is that they don't build anything.

It's also bullshit. Clearly both the US and Canada do build lots of things.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.

> Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff.

Perhaps a fanny pack would be a better idea:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#498

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

My brother in law, aviation firefighter, said after a crash you have 15s to egress, that's it. There's not a lot of air in the metal tube you're trapped in, it'll fill with smoke and everyone will be disoriented. It's also a long way to the exits, and the average person in the exit row probably will be in shock and likely not operate the exit door immediately. Absolutely incredible the fireball was put out in the fli…

The standard time for evacuating an aircraft that has to be demonstrated for certification purposes is 90 seconds with only half of the exits usable. It generally helps that the fire is (at least initially) outside the cabin most of the time. But yes, I wouldn't bet on conditions in the plane staying survivable for 90 seconds in all cases.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It could be read as calling people here rubberneckers, which is not exactly a compliment

The interest doesn’t come from wanting to see random destruction like rubberneckers do. Commercial passenger aviation is as safe as it gets and incidents require multiple things to go wrong. An aviation disaster is a fascinating thing because it pushes forward safety protocols or engineering safeguards. There is nothing interesting about a car that smashes into a guardrail, which is what rubberneckers are into.

An other aspect of aviation disasters that is much more interesting than other disasters is that aviation has had a long history of using a different approach when it comes to investigation and human factors. Even the language we use, like "pilot error" is deeply connected to aviation disaster history, which get applied in many more areas than just aviation.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

>I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

Not really, how many of these accidents from last year do you recognize?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

It gets all over the news when a whole lot of people die, for evident reasons.

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