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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Post by tim333 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #376
scarface_74 wrote: post #225

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What’s impressive about Tesla? It’s already being outcompeted by companies in China, losing market share, and the other manufacturers are catching up. Besides that, he’s pissed off the demographics most likely to buy Teslas. It’s not like most Trump voters are buying EVs

Tesla and the Chinese manufacturers are not playing in anything near the same league. Making cheap EV's is in no way "outcompeting" Tesla. Rather, Tesla has shown that it can handily outcompete traditional luxury auto companies, beating them at their own game.

BYD seems to be in a similar league. Unit sales 3x tesla in the last quarter and:

>... big event showcasing its autonomous driving tech on Feb. 10, rolling out driver assist features to EVs as low as $10,000.

They also have a funky supercar while the Tesla one we still await: https://youtu.be/6M3QdN43yqI

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Post by UltraSane »

sangnoir wrote: post #221
orwin wrote: post #148

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He always had it? Money give influence naturally. I've listened to a history podcast about the robber barons and how following the backlash and dismantlement of the Standard oil, industrialist started buying articles, sometime even newspapers to sell their stories, and in the US, it worked wonderfully. You still have the brand "Quaker" that was born at the time, and probably a dozen other, where they manipulated thei…

> He always had it? Money give influence naturally. Not as much as he has now: he was famously frustrated by the California state government's Covid lockdown mandates, and was pretty powerless against them. That frustration is probably what led him to buy influence in the Trump campaign,and later administration. Money can take you so far, political power will take you further for imposing your will on others. The "Sh…

" By moving much faster than the bureaucracy and legal system can respond, the question on whether he has the power or authority to do the things he's doing may become moot."

This is a risky strategy if it is later determined that Musk broke laws with DOGE and is arrested and convicted.

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Post by theoryofx »

disqard wrote: post #329
theoryofx wrote: post #233

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I really thought his inauguration performance (the drugs, the saluting) would finally wake people up to what's going on what Elon Musk. To anyone who can see it (maybe it takes some relevant life experience), it's patently obvious he's been spiraling down a dark hole of drugs, depression, ego, burn out, and addiction. He's in a very dark place and lashing out, hurting himself and others, like so many people in dark p…

Your take is radically empathetic, and we have seen (e.g. with Tony Hsieh) how it all unraveled. I wonder if Shitter is a big factor in this spiral. Jaron Lanier pointed this out in Nov 2022 [1]. Unfortunately, if so, we have a worst-case scenario of "getting high on your own supply", and nobody can cut him off (or stage an "intervention"). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/opinion/trump-musk-kanye-...

He's been posting on Twitter obsessively for years now, it's definitely one of his worst addictions. He blew $44 billion to satisfy his cravings, which has to be a record spend on an addiction.

But he's also addicted to drugs, work, gaming and who knows what else.

He will either shake his demons or die early after having destroyed his life and probably many other people's lives. I wish him well for everyone's sake.

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Post by labster »

margalabargala wrote: post #410
delfinom wrote: post #303

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September 2025: President Musk announces all new federal vehicles will be Teslas.

September? It's early February. You really think it'll take 7 months?

To get to President Musk, longer than that. On the other hand, he was called Prime Minister Musk by a congressman all the way back in December.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gonzales-elon-musk...

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Post by creato »

akudha wrote: post #343
jredwards wrote: post #168

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I liked Elon until about 2018. Since then he's gradually degraded from "interesting founder" to "guy who picks fights about weird topics on the internet" to "absurdist oligarch actively working to destroy institutions which support average Americans." I certainly suspect that there were always elements of what he's become that just weren't as publicly apparent.

What did you like about him until 2018? He is not some visionary or genius or even smart. Neither is/was he a decent person to deal with (read up on his PayPal days). He is however, extraordinarily ruthless and thin skinned. So what is it that you saw in him that you liked him?

(Not OP) I liked his willingness to invest so much in exciting, lofty goals (Tesla, SpaceX).

Twitter wrecked his mind. I'm not talking about buying it, I'm talking about being such a heavy user of it.

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Post by decimalenough »

fencepost wrote: post #424
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #357

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Also after Teslas keep catching on fire more than the damn Ford Pinto did.

Might not be enough data for good statistical significance yet, but IIRC the "die in a fire" probability in a Tesla Refrigerator is something like 17x the Ford Pinto based on current numbers.

Citation needed. Last I checked EVs are much less likely to catch fire than ICEs. (They are, however, much harder to put out if they do.)

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Post by guybedo »

alpha_squared wrote: post #102

It feels like Musk is single-handedly making a great case for why unlimited accumulation of wealth is a bad idea. It's pretty colorful language, but my mind immediately jumps to "financial terrorist". He's using his enormous amount of wealth and influence as a weapon to bludgeon anyone and anything in his way.

I don't get what is "financial terrorism" here:

He's making an offer to buy something at twice the price of the other offer on the table.

I'm not sure it'd be a good deal for Musk but it looks like a good deal for the seller.

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Post by decimalenough »

jiggawatts wrote: post #380
gonzo41 wrote: post #348

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And Australia. Musk drove everyone in BYD's arms.

The weak Aussie dollar and the low cost of BYD cars is what did that. Also, Tesla stopped selling the Model S here.

Nothing specific to Australia, there are no RHD versions of the new S/X anywhere in the world. But S/X sales were a rounding error compared to 3/Y anyway.

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Post by seunosewa »

UltraSane wrote: post #487
yodsanklai wrote: post #381

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> "financial terrorist" As a thought experiment, I like to wonder what would be the maximal amount of damage to humanity an extremely wealthy person could do entirely legally. Or if not damage, just trolling. For instance, writing X on the moon or something like that.

I wonder what would happen if Musk just paid $1 million to every single women who was willing to be inseminated with his sperm and $100,000/year/child to raise them and he ended up having thousands of kids.

I thought he was doing something like that already.
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