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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Is this the absolute death of the high school essay? Even if you didn't want to cheat by avoiding ChatGPT, AI is now right there, in your word processor, and you have no way of turning it off.

I'm a bit of an AI doomer, but I don't think AI will have such a bad impact on school tests. They'll just have to move back to oral exams.

I remember reading that Socrates was against writing. His argument was that books don't hold real knowledge because you can't interrogate team. Real knowledge exists only in a man's mind because he can make use of it and answer questions about. I don't quite agree but I do see some merit to the idea. For example, NASA couldn't fly to the moon again by building a Saturn V because even though they still have all the documentation, most of the people who knew how to make use of that documentation are dead or retired.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

Easier to implement ads on it if you can't move it.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Given how hard Microsoft is leaning into AI, and how important Office 365 is, the Copilot for 365 is shockingly bad.

Every single thing in which M$ has market capture is shockingly bad. Windows, Office, Azure.

Simple as this statement is it is also underrated. When you seriously consider their various products and properties it truly is a shocker at how consistently awful they all are.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Clearly understandable? Every time someone tells me on Teams about "the file they shared last week", I struggle to find out if I need to go to Onedrive, SharePoint, the Teams channel "files", the Teams channel "documents", etc. It's the most confusing piece of software I'm forced to use...

Teams is the most loathsome piece of collaboration software I have ever used. When it comes to finding basic things, the UX is so far from intuitive that it makes you wonder if they're just trolling us with these awful designs. I remember being excited about a Slack competitor when it first came out, but the same issues it had back then still exist to this day. I wish they would just pull the plug on that piece of cr…

You're not wrong.

In our org, at least, it's also the latest example of MSFT winning partly by being everpresent and partly by stumbles from competitors.

We are 100% work from home -- the company has no offices anywhere. Consequently, we do a lot of online meetings, with an emphasis on screensharing. (I don't think we've ever turned on cameras.) Our standard for a LONG time was GoToMeeting, because while it was more expensive, it WORKED every time, including and especially when we used it with customers.

But GTM got sloppy, and Teams was suddenly everywhere, and then GTM messed up their easy Outlook integration, and all of a sudden we were using Teams.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? Should we disallow changing background images? Should we let people set color accents as they can right now? Should we even let them choose where they want their desktop icons to be, or which desktop icons they can have there? Or should we disable choosing whi…

I don't work as a PM or for Microsoft. Perhaps the problem is a deeper one, which is constant and likely unnecessary UI makeovers. But among the endless blizzard of these, this is an odd one to make your last stand for. More to the point, onto: > Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? All the examp…

> But among the endless blizzard of these, this is an odd one to make your last stand for. More to the point, onto

For me it's personally not, it's mostly about how slow and bloated W11 feels. On my 9800X3D (an insanely powerful and fast chip!), explorer is slower than it was in the windows 95 days on the i386 of yore. They've converted half of everything in Windows into a web view and you can feel it, don't even get me started on the adware.

> All the examples you listed are much more significant IMO than whether the taskbar goes to the bottom or top of the screen. I imagine that MS would be less likely to remove those features.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here, to me the taskbar is one of the most central parts of a modern OS next to file navigation and things like the start menu. It sits on your screen, visibly and permanently, and takes up a good chunk of your screen real estate. I know for many people they prefer it vertical because otherwise they have a kilometer-wide, mostly-empty taskbar taking up ~5-10% of the bottom of their screen. For me I keep it on the top of the screen because A) It's what I'm used to since the XP days and B) I find it easier to reach for than on the bottom, because my cursor is pretty much always on the top half of the screen rather than the bottom half.

> But why isn't that the end of the issue then? The feature can be fully restored.

You could make this same argument for basically every feature though, including the ones I listed. Why not remove background images and let it be handled by some 3rd party tool as well? It's about as basic as customization can get in an OS, so it should be handled natively by the OS. Not to mention that, due to it being 3rd party, it's also prone to breaking on Windows updates, and some applications rely on the OS to handle things like where to place the application window, and having things hack around OS-imposed limits like this does lead to weird behaviors and bugs.

It shouldn't require someone download 3rd party tools for functionality this basic, especially since it's already been in there since the basically the inception of the OS. Even MacOS lets you do the vertical taskbar/Dock, and that's the epitome of closed-down customization (not that Apple doesn't have similar problems, such as requiring 3rd party tools for external mice or window tiling via Rectangle).

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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On an alternative opinion maybe, Microsoft seems to have survived so many such "disasters", that one start to question maybe they are not as disastrous as they are portrayed to be?

Putting Microsoft completely apart, what make you think that there is strong correlation between survival span and the amount of disaster that some human organization can engender?

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Why not LibreOffice?

I use it. Not always great, too bloated and instructions found on the web are often for a different version and just don't seem to work. But pretty sure it's not worse than Microsoft. I'd rather burn my money than spending it on Microsoft "products".

Don’t forget I was replying to a person who is using Office 2003 and not paying as they probably paid their once 20 years ago for license and also don’t have any new features.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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I hope it does not involve typing on a keyboard. Typing on a keyboard is so millennial, and holds back innovation, such as everybody solely using touchscreens in closed walled gardens. I hope the future is an llm that has access to all the context of our lives and then presents 4-5 such different keywords, and you just tap on the ones you want to use for the email. Once the llm is sufficiently trained, the last step…

Typing is a powerful mental exercise, with each keystroke contributing to improved memory, language development, cognitive adaptability, and concentration – all of which essentially breeds innovation. The future you described is a wild kind of dystopia.

Mental exercise sounds exhausting and pointless. Think of all the possibilities that getting rid of such unnecessary distractions would open to the users, such as more time for scrolling down in social media and watching ads.

Obviously (dark) joking.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

CEO is the one job role that AI can’t take because AI lacks accountability. Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up? That’s the CEO, even if you decide to give them a different title.

You can get a pretty good accountant for $100k I think. They could vet the AI decisions and take responsibility.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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This. It is backwards attempt to become "The AI" company. They have sole rights to use OpenAI's technology and the best they can come up with is a price markup to further piss off their customers.

Why would they care if customers whine but remain customers?

That is true. Being a Microsoft customer is to be in an abusive relationship. There is a substantial cost in leaving. At some point you do leave.
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