So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.
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#492Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…
> undermining democratic structures
Democratic structures like fatah and hamas ?
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Going to pretend that Jews haven’t lived there for thousands and thousands of years, before the Arabs arrived?
there are several flaws in your typical zionist argument: 1. jews as a minority have lived in the lands of Filistine and Jerusalem peacefully and coexisted just fine for millennia, before the zionist project. 2. the fact that small minority of jews lived there does not give an excuse to ethnically cleanse the local population of arabs. 3. the claim that modern european jews from Rhine and pale of settlement (AshkeNaz…
Everything else about this aside: the reason most European Jews have Europeanized last names is because they were forced to adopt them throughout the 18th and 19th centuries[1].
(Also, why spell it “AshkeNazi”? That seems inflammatory with no connection to reality, since the root is Ashkenaz.)
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#494So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.
Honest question, but why haven't there been "I will sacrifice everything to wipe [country]" generations sowing havoc on neighbors after Dresden, Nagasaki, Nanjing or others?
I believe the reason was that the Nazis were forced to repent due to the Allied occupation. They also had to pay billions in reparations to Jews affected by the Holocaust. If that hadn't happened and the NSDAP had been allowed to continue to dominate German politics, I bet millions of Jews who lost their loved ones in the Holocaust would seek revenge on the Germans. Similarly, if the Zionist regime were toppled and replaced with one that treated Palestinians as humans, rather than as animals, feelings of deep hatred would dissipate.
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Doesn't the Torah count for something? It works slower than fiber optics but is massively parallel.
No, that's mythology. Actual history is The Balfour Declaration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration And Nakba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Even ignoring well-known Wikipedia bias in this issue, it is rarely a good source for "actual history"
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#498Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…
> And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government that is actively at work undermining democratic structures and civil rights even inside the state - that too with no word of objection from its allies.
And what would Gaza have if it were independent?
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Going to pretend that Jews haven’t lived there for thousands and thousands of years, before the Arabs arrived?
there are several flaws in your typical zionist argument: 1. jews as a minority have lived in the lands of Filistine and Jerusalem peacefully and coexisted just fine for millennia, before the zionist project. 2. the fact that small minority of jews lived there does not give an excuse to ethnically cleanse the local population of arabs. 3. the claim that modern european jews from Rhine and pale of settlement (AshkeNaz…
> Filistine and Jerusalem did not have a problem with antisemitism and jew hate, UNTIL european settlers showed up. Antisemitism is purely european concept imported into Middle East.
Read about the granada massacre.
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This is essentially how Turkiye continues to describe the Armenian Genocide to this day. "A) there was a war going on, people sometimes die in wars whoops it's tragic" and "B) the situation is very complex and nuanced and any narrative but our chosen one is too simplistic". It sounds pretty familiar doesn't it? https://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-t...
Erdogan is a war criminal too. And I’m sure the ones before him were not much more enlightened about this issue. I wonder what Ataturk thought about the Armenian genocide. I will google that to get educated on what he thought because he is about the only leader in Turkey’s history including Ottoman history that deserves respect.
>And I’m sure the ones before him were not much more enlightened about this issue.
They weren't. Ataturk was literally part of the secular CUP movement which committed the genocide. That secular party also known as the "Young Turks" did not see themselves as Ottomans but Turks only. Atatürk needed international legitimacy for the new Turkish Republic that's why he tried to distance himself from the CUP leadership although he was part of the military-political establishment that enabled the CUP's rise.
While not directly involved in the genocide, he was part of the system that allowed it. His later condemnations of CUP leaders came when their policies had been thoroughly discredited. Part of Ataturk's "modernization" efforts included suppressing discussion of the genocide. The official Turkish position of genocide denial was essentially established during his rule.
Ataturk tried to whitewash the "Young Turks" and give them a "fresh start" by propagating a false narrative that blamed the crimes on the "Ottoman identity" so their "new identity" of "pure Turk" has a clean slate because Atatürk needed international legitimacy for the new Turkish Republic.