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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

Hey, the ADL president is a US citizen, and he said "we really have a TikTok problem."

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#492

Tiktok is obviously a massive national security risk, and I find it funny people don't see that. It is extremely well established that propaganda has great value, and so allowing a foreign adversary the capacity to potentially control the information your citizens receive in a clandestine way is insanely dangerous.

Yes, we should also forbid books published by Chinese publishing companies because the CPC might pressure those companies to put propaganda in the books. We should also forbid Hollywood from selling movies in China, because as we've already seen that means the movies are being adjusted to get approval in China. We should also forbid Chinese citizens talking to Americans, because they might convince Americans on a top…

We live in a democracy. If you get enough people to vote for this platform, then sure let's do it.

You can't compare a popular bipartisan law to a hypothetical thing you just made up.

Peoples' votes matter

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. The govt is mad that they have control over the narrative on Facebook but do not on TikTok If the last four years are indicative of anything, it's that the US government has fairly limited control over the narrative on American social platforms. I lost count of how many times I saw people typing in "FJB" and "MAGA".

"FJB" and "MAGA" are within the bounds of allowed political discourse and were encouraged. "Throw the bums out" without any additional coherent political project is precisely what the elites allow and what allows them to maintain power.

I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that the JB was Joe Biden and he was quite literally President of the United States when that was a trend, sure.

Same with MAGA after January 6th.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#494
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Congress shall make no law respecting ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble ... unless they mumble 'national security', and then screw the constitution ...

It makes no sense to me how this is an argument of free speech. I assume you are saying this is curtailing the creators speech? However the creators can move to any other platform, they are not being restricted in what they can say or produce. So perhaps the concern is about TikTok's free speech; which, thank god the constitution does not protect a foreign adversaries right to free speech.

Free speech includes the right to receive/hear speech. TikTok contains lots of speech that US citizens have the right to hear.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#495

Congress shall make no law respecting ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble ... unless they mumble 'national security', and then screw the constitution ...

Foreign corporations do not have free speech rights.

Doesn't matter, US citizens have the right to receive the speech on TikTok

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#496

Given how easy it is for China to buy US data legally from data brokers and how similar the functionality of TikTok and YouTube Shorts, I feel like the only explanations are: 1. The govt is mad that a foreign company is outcompeting a domestic one Or more likely, given that there are so many other industries that didn't get a ban: 2. The govt is mad that they have control over the narrative on Facebook but do not on…

Only legit reason would've been trade. China won't "import" our products, so we do the same. But that seems like not the reason.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#497

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

Hey, the ADL president is a US citizen, and he said "we really have a TikTok problem."

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#498

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

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they aren't banning it. They gave tiktok an out -- sell to an American company or non adversarial country, if ByteDance doesn't bite on that, then that's on them.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wondering for the past couple of years, why did Vine fail but TikTok succeed? Based on my increasingly fuzzy memories of Vine and my rough understanding of TikTok as a non-user, they appear to be pretty much the same app.

Seems to me like they just gave up?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/28/extreme...

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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post #382

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

basically go back to old SMF/php forums with maximum 100s of known people. I thought about this recently… It was really better times. Even decentralized mastodon is too big and it makes it far too easy to post BS and hateful / unhealthy stuff. Plus there are far too many posts you can’t relate to or just don’t want to read („algorithm“ or not), without even mentioning the bubble effect, much worse there than on X to…

There's a strong part of me that thinks that a model not unlike BBSes with Fidonet might be the way to go. Everyone gets to have their own little bastion of the 'net that they control, filled with their own content (games, warez, text files, the good ol' shit) and global email/forums/chat provided in a decentralized way. When people are arseholes, you cut them off by blocking them from your server, and we all move on.

I keep toying with building a modern version of that using some of the existing fediverse infrastructure, but I just don't have the time or attention span for it. Partially because my attention span was fried by Instagram.

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