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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by herval »

nemomarx wrote: post #338
PhilipRoman wrote: post #328

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I disagree. From what I've seen, the lower level you go, the more advanced it is seen by other developers. As the copypasta goes: At the beginning, there was Purusha. From his face, born was the Brahmin, the priestly caste, the tooling creator, one who develops programming languages, compilers and standard libraries. From the arms of the Purusha, Kshatriya, the warrior caste, was born. Kshatriya is the developer of s…

that's by other developers, but I think in the mainstream know nothing culture people have an image of "coding" that's more prestigious and hackery than EE?

I don't know a single person outside the tech bubble who sees "coding" as something prestigious

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Post by jopsen »

adamc wrote: post #300
jopsen wrote: post #248

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I suspect the kinds of salaries that's possible in Silicon Valley only happens because: (A) Skills are fairly transferable. (B) There is a lot of employers competing for workers. (C) An awful lot of value is created along the way. If you specialize in some tiny part of chip manufacturing, there aren't many places you can transfer your skills. Even if, in the future, you have multiple chip vendors. They won't all use…

The same analysis makes me doubt those wages are likely to prevail for software engineers. They are the result of a particular time and place.

> They are the result of a particular time and place.

Absolutely, it can't go one forever. But it might go on longer than you think ;)

To be fair, we've already seen things change: today most entry level jobs are gated by degree requirements.

It's no longer enough to just be computer savvy. Probably because there increasingly a lot of computer savvy people today.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by jopsen »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #306
jopsen wrote: post #248

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I suspect the kinds of salaries that's possible in Silicon Valley only happens because: (A) Skills are fairly transferable. (B) There is a lot of employers competing for workers. (C) An awful lot of value is created along the way. If you specialize in some tiny part of chip manufacturing, there aren't many places you can transfer your skills. Even if, in the future, you have multiple chip vendors. They won't all use…

> Maybe it's not that simple. But few chip companies have to compete against startups for workers. And that probably won't change. It seems like what EE needs is something similar to open source, so that does happen. The way things like Google or AWS got started is they started with Linux and built something on top of it, so it could be a startup because they don't first have to build the world in order to make a con…

The startup costs are probably astronomically higher for a startup doing custom chips. Even if you're fabless.

There is probably also a lot fewer customers.

There is no shortage of businesses and private people who need a CRUD app to track something. We probably won't run out anytime soon :)

And even then, there is probably also a long list of factories that would like to automate something using robots and software.

How many use cases for custom SOCs are there really? It's a lot cheaper to customize the software, than it is to customize the hardware. Which is kind of the point.

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Post by meiraleal »

wuliwong wrote: post #168
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #115

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Hi. I own a business. I still find ads to be cancer.

You think all businesses should just spread awareness by word of mouth? Can you put a sign on your store or is that an ad? What if you don't have a store? Yes, advertising can be really awful but that doesn't meaning all advertising is "cancer." If you have a good business that creates actual value for people, advertising it can actually be seen as a good thing.

It is clear we are talking about modern digital ads. Ads in magazines aren't as bad, but manipulating public opinion to sell the ads were/are. That's what Google/FB do at an absurd large scale right now.

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Post by mbs159 »

CPLX wrote: post #214
duxup wrote: post #48

Seems like this is actually happening. I saw so many predictions of how this couldn't happen and "yeah but" ... but it seems to be happening for the most part.

Indeed. It's just bullshit, propaganda. There's simply no real reason we can't have a deep and robust manufacturing base in America. Well except for the fact that some specific people made a whole lot of money while letting it fall apart, and have paid for decades of media relations trying to convince everyone otherwise. If you're reading this statement I just made and want to instinctively disagree with me, start by…

> There's simply no real reason we can't have a deep and robust manufacturing base in America.

One reason is that cheaper labor exists.

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Post by nateglims »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #482
nateglims wrote: post #480

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Ready for whatever the pentagon wants.

I don’t want a trillion dollars a year to spent so that the pentagon can have whatever it wants

I don't either, and I don't want a war with either Russia or China nor do I want the slow escalation that is currently happening. But the political reality is that the US will not be decreasing defense spending any time soon. There's no voting this situation away.

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Post by fblp »

krisoft wrote: post #25
fblp wrote: post #11

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I'm suprised they can't ship (flat) packaging that could be used in Arizona with a simple assembly line. If they had that packaging design then for this to make financial sense the two way shipping (and loading, unloading, custom clearance etc) would have to be less than shipping the packaging, the setup cost per unit cost of putting the chip in a box

Wait, wait. In the context of semiconductor manufacturing packaging does not mean what you think it means. It is not putting the product in a paper box. It is about cutting the wafer into individual chips, wire bonding the silicone to pins, and covering the whole thing with epoxy. Here is a video which explains it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gg2eVVayA4 It would be indeed crazy if they would ship the read…

Thank you for clarifying!
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